Heya!
Haven’t tested the ability myself before, but it just looks sooo much more fun than savagery. Soooo… basicly, for a 2h user, how much shittier than savagery is this thing?
Ty ty!
A lot shittier. But you could go ranged with it.
I don’t know because I always use spammable Primal Strike instead of Savagery.
Sometimes you have to remember that fun > efficiency.
At character lvl 20 primal strike spam will tickle bosses.
You can still use it vs mobs without transmuter for leveling. Just put a few points in it and it’s synergies
It wasn’t meant for leveling, but for a late game auto attack replacer. Well, seems I gotta give up on thought, shame.
The problem I have with the skill is the AoE functioning is different from Fire Strike
Fire Strike can any number of targets in a given AoE through it’s modifier Explosive Strike
But Primal Strike can only hit a fixed number of targets using its AoE skill Torrent, it makes the skill a little unattractive
Just finished Elite BoC with my transmuted Primal Strike Lvl 76 and it was pretty easy. SoT was also near trivial. Just Port Valbury and Log to go.
So far very fun (with help from the Ultos Storm Striker build posted by cadpgamer1992).
i have no idea whether this will scale into Ultimate - especially as I have a grand total of zero Ultos set pieces.
It has still been a massive amount of fun getting to this point.
If you want that then i recommend conjurer or elementalist for cof or thermites. Warder won’t do enough damage.
skill description: “rite undertaken by novice shamans” ! Nuff said!
no wonder the skills sucks!:rolleyes:
There are only 2 opponents that were “tickled” by the primal strike. The rest died fast. Only issue I have with Primal Strike is that I can’t get decent and constant crits going with it for some odd reason. Only issue I had was early game you can’t rush Primal Strike to full development due to energy regen issues that can’t keep up. But once you get the full set at 75 you only need a energy pot in longwinded fights.
Yeah it’s a conjurer. Whacky one though (gonna use chaos together with vit and ligthning, no reason other than to get some more buttons to spam) I build all my chars to be squishy and button spammy to play.
Not a huge fan of thermites, I play it on builds that benefit from it of course, but the cast animation is too slow.
Sometimes you have to remember that for some people fun = efficiency.
Primal Strike is far better at leveling, Savagery scales far higher in late game. I don’t know what you are talking about.
Hey, Savagery isnt that bad, even!
Primal Strike adds high amount of skill damage, but it doesnt scale as well from Weapon Damage as Savagery (Primal Strike barely reaches 100% weapon damage). Primal Strike is also VERY expensive, you need tons of energy regen/leech to sustain it, while Savagery can be spammed without any investaments. Primal Strike cant benefit from WPS (though it has build-in AoE). And of course, Savagery also adds few defensive buffs…
They are actually quite different skills. If you choose Primal Strike, you should get as much +levels on it from gear as possible, and get tons of mana regen/leech just to sustain its spam. While with Savagery, you dont care about overleveling it, nor about energy - you just stack whatever stats you want, usually attack speed and weapon damage…
For physical damage one might not care but for 2h lightning build it is worth it.
Yeah, but it’s usually better to use Primal Strike for lightning build (as long as you have required gear). Though Savagery may work too. For Physical, Primal Strike adds too much flat lightning damage that will be wasted. For lightning build, most of flat physical damage, added by Primal Strike, will be converted to lightning. And Ultos set is too good at buffing Primal Strike, without massive skill bonuses, Primal Strike isnt worth it.
I’d like to try 2-h lightning Conjurer, but sadly, i dont have Ultos set, and build wont shine in endgame without it…
Well, I don’t know anymore. Before I thought that PS was at least doing competitive damage, but now after bringing my PS Warder to level 70 and equipping Elite Legion’s Warblade (a pretty amazing weapon on it’s own), I ended up with 15.5k DPS at level 70. PS is at 16-12-9. After checking my screenshot archive, gotta say that my 2H FS (12-12-0-12) Commando did 16.4k DPS at level 65. You might think that they are pretty equal, but:
- 2H FS numbers are for 1.0.0.7 patch, so Explosive Strike’s DPS is not shown (pretty much increase the number by 25% and you’ll know a more or less real DPS)
- My PS Warder is heavily into offensive constellations (SotH, Revenant), while my FS Commando at the time went for Obelisk + ToL + LoE.
- 2H FS numbers are for Prismatic Eviscerator, which is a lvl 40 weapon. A good one, but lvl 40 nonetheless. Once I hit 70 with 2H FS Commando and bought a decent Solar Sledge I was doing 23.6k DPS.
I had no illusions about PS comparing to Savagery later in the game, but I at least thought that lightweight PS and FS builds would have a similar efficiency, while in reality my PS Warder is now sitting with 21k DPS with Eye of the Storm active. I think my Lightning DW Trickster was at 27k DPS. :undecided:
So yeah, PS performance makes me a sad dragon atm. I hoped for a build I could recommend to beginners (due to Elite Legion Warblade being easily available), but for now Solar Sledge FS > Legion Warblade PS.
If I manage to get to lvl 75 I’ll check back to tell how much DPS it does with Ultos set. I’m eager to know your predictions. Mine is around 30k.
Torrents damage is not shown at DPS and per hit sheets at all, so its real power higher then you can see in numbers. I tested PS vs Savagery killtime of Fabius and surprisingly PS did it faster.
My opinion - you can use what you like more, Primal Strike gives more AoE and damage, Savagery - more OA,DA, health regen and attack speed.
Ugh, I thought it was a common knowledge that Torrent doesn’t hit main target anymore, since it was a bug to begin with? So makes sense it doesn’t appear in DPS calculations.
Your statement on PS vs Savagery killtime is surprising, to say the least. No idea how that’s possible.
- PS’s tooltip doesnt show full damage
- PS is really good only for lightning build with heavy lightning conversion. Or for lightning/aether build, at least.
- Why go warder? Soldier contributes close to nothing for PS, you better go Occultist or Arcanist instead.
- You need massive bonuses to Primal Strike and all its subskills to make it truly powerful.
And of course, PS is especially good for RANGED weapons, because they have less base damage and no AoE WPS… There is almost no difference in damage between melee PS and ranged PS (for example, if compare Ultos’ axe and Rakajax), but ranged weapon is RANGED, you dont have to chase every mob with it, you can just stand near totem and shoot at everything.