Hello, I’ve been playing a lot with Grenado + Canister lately, and had to toy with Mythical Adversary at some point. It adds a massive amount of %weapon damage to Canister, with a large increase to the radius to ensure the target gets shotgunned.
Issue is, the rifle’s base damage is physical, and every modifier to convert the phys to fire on Canister is on another weapon, meaning we can’t use it. I could use global conversion but won’t go further than 22% with a weapon component and amulet with conversion. So how to use that strong Canister mod and Improved Casing’s DoT on a fire build using this weapon ? Hence my question :
Is the rifle intended for physical Canister (which explains the +8% cunning, and Ulzuin’s full set exists for fire damage), or is the lack of conversion an oversight ?
I’d really like to see some phys caster on canister/grenado support - maybe for commando with adjusted mods, maybe to shieldbreaker.
Fire canister has enough support in-game.
Now the weapon itself looks awkward so any changes would be welcomed.
It’s possible to boost the flat for Myth. Adversary through steroids [(non-myth) blood sigil of chthon, ring(s) of khonsar, and by converting Abomination to fire]. However, this only makes ADCTH healing viable and gimps your damage due to lost skill ranks. AFAIK even with good flat, the damage gains would be pretty meh, since %WD doesn’t benefit from %Total damage modified on UC.
I played with converted scales (just double Blazeseer Signets) and got comparable or better healing out of only 60% conversion on vit procs.
Overall, it’s already a really cool gun. My ideal would be swapping +2 soldier for +2 inquis and making the % physical damage on it % lightning (which can be converted through the mutator). Dual element bomber ftw.
Physical canister bomb would be rad AF, but pierce -> phys conversion is nonexistent outside of weapons, and % ele -> phys gear (head, chest, shoulders) gimps your skill ranks. It’d be great if the ecosystem supported it though.
You can pump all the flat you want with gear, it’s still ridiculous compared to the massive amount you waste from the weapon, and not worth it as you said
since %WD doesn’t benefit from %Total damage modified on UC
Wait you got a source for that ? It sounds stupid af
Anyway I agree the weapon is really powerful for Grenado (I got a 1.2M crit on a dummy with a shieldbreaker, that’s gigantic) but the Canister part makes you wonder why you don’t play full Ulzuin. +1 for the %lightning, or maybe add some global conversion (to fire or lightning) to make use of the physical part of Ulzuin’s Torch and Annihilation’s proc ?
I managed to stack 400ish relevant flat damage (2x that of base weapon), and it only accounted for a 3-4% increase in DPH, which is easily outperformed by getting more ranks in grenado nodes like shattering blast. No total damage bonus for %WD comes from there, and the balancing saga for forcewave/ABB (those numbers were tweaked separately). It might be a bug, but I kinda doubt it.
If built right the canister bomb side clears trash quickly and heals a ton (when fighting multiple enemies). I don’t really see a need for conversion, since dual element fire/lightning can go Ultos + Torch or Ultos + Magi pretty easily.
i’d advocate for fire base damage, hence it is more beneficial both for fire and phys casters (magical converted phys damage). And for %CS/cdr for the weapon itself because it totally lacks any stats.
That would be a little over the top, imagine the Ulzuin set but with quadruple the amount of %wd to Canister, and so much radius that every single projectile hits. Yep, I can see the nerf coming.
PlagueMirth’s idea is original, simple and I can see it working
Still looks better than my attempts at pierce double bomber using Gildor’s and Nadaan’s reach. God gildor is awful.
A 4-piece set dedicated to pierce/physical bombs would kick ass (maybe with a shrapnel proc?).
Also, it just occurred to me that +2 to Shaman is probably a better idea than inquis, since Purifier has tons of support already and Elementalist could use some love (and Puri would still be good even if point starved tbh).
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