Retaliation, Oathkeeper + ( Soldier or Demolitionist ) ?

Greetings! ZiggyD made a retaliation build with “Totally Normal Shield” and made me wanna come back to Grim Dawn. I finished the vanilla game in normal then I went back to POE.

Now POE is boring and want do run Grim Dawn and settled my heart on a retaliation build. My immediate goto is Soldier but I have heard Demolitionist’s fire theme also has cool stuff that synergize. I have also found an acid theme but I want the red/fire thematic, or the metal / steampunk / internal damage theme.

I would greatly appreciate any suggestions on which of the two secondary classes to play as, I intend to run to 100.

Be prepared since many builds are using the helmet/mask drop from one of the superbosses https://www.grimtools.com/monsterdb/1877/skills.

The Retal build I’m following took almost 8 minutes to kill the superboss and more then half of that time was just kiting.

Which helmet/mask / superboss speak of? I don’t mind 8 min for a boss :smiley:

Physical reta Warlord is way ahead of Fire reta SB currently (don’t know if the latter is even viable tbh).

https://www.grimtools.com/monsterdb/1877/skills

On a normal build you need about 20 minutes of kiting to kill that superboss. 8 minutes in retal gear show how absurdly broken phys retal is nowadays

From threads in the Ideas & Feedback, many people want retaliation (and especially physical retal) to be severely nerfed. Also heard that Overguard may be getting nerfed as well. People don’t like that a very niche build is suddenly doing well even though it’s niche and has slow kill speeds on ranged mobs and bosses.

By that logic all the kiting builds that have made it to SR90 should be nerfed cause they’re doing extremely well now and are more OP then retal is.

And I’m sure that all those kiting builds that have made it to SR90+ could do Callagadra even faster, therefore those builds are broken and need nerfed too.

5 minutes of that was just running around waiting for my chance to melee for about 6-9 seconds before kiting for another least 30 seconds cause of all the damn pets it spawns. Also used potions for about another 2K HP and another 300HP regen and extra resists.

http://www.grimdawn.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83103 is what is broken.

Suggestion: Occultist!!!

I have started to make noob friendly guide here http://www.grimdawn.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83039

I want to play an Aegis build but every single one has too long a cooldown timer and usually dumps a lot of points into RF and/or Vire. All I’m trying to find is a simple Aegis spammer with a cooldown of about 1 second.

Ah, ok, that is fair :smiley:

Thank you very much!

Does Elite Calla drop the helm, or just Ultimate?

they all drop a helmet I think, but the one from ultimate is level 94 and arguably the strongest.

I think you’re playing your retal wrong then. You should be able to easily facetank callagadra without consumables and still kill her in 8 minutes with phys retal warlord. And the kiters in 90+ have to be piloted PERFECTLY to even be able to remotely live even a second, while phys retal builds just stand there and spam Aegis and RF all day while being nigh immortal.
Retaliations old problem was solved through retal to attack, you are now able to deal with ranged enemies by using your super high damage ranged attacks, so those builds aren’t niche anymore.

Why would I use Aegis with a Retal build? That’s like those EoR builds that max out RF and Vire’s Might. If I’m gonna be using those skills why am I gearing for EoR in the first place?

Because of synergy between reprisal and retal damage?

I’m likely to use RF for all of 2 minutes before getting fed up with having to refresh the damn buff all the time.

Couldn’t facetank because I didn’t have 30%+ ADCTH and 30%+ physical resist most likely.

My two budget builds to not have those issues. Around 1.5s cooldown and no RF/Vire

Aegis will get nerfed in next patch for sure