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i literally modded the skill myself to just make it apply a simple -rr. fucking lmao:rolleyes:
even with -30rr fire/phy rr it merely makes arcanist endgame VIABLE while still has a lot of disadvantages compared to other classes, so dont chat shit about balancing maybe. worst class in the game doesnt become top tier even with -30 rr
Only way to make the skill to work on every boss is to literally not freeze, while the skill is called Olexra Flash FREEZE. It has to freeze, that’s the name of the skill.
Yes, making OFF work on bosses in order to apply RR would need to be balanced to not lead to situations like spellbreaker freeze locking Mad Queen, Fabius and even Moosilauke. Actually think through things before suggesting anything.
And Arcanist is completely endgame viable and it doesn’t need RR to do so. Arcanist is not the worst class in the game, don’t know what you are even talking about.
Ever heard of Templar’s Faith?
obv im not asking for the skill to freeze lock boss innit? hell i would remove the freeze to make the rr functional. the whole point is that the RR should be functional on bosses. its the only class in the game which essentially has a nonfunctional -rr. literally fucking ly. even demo has a clunky -rr, necro, occ etc. arcanist has zilch. terrible defenses, weak skills TSS delay falling, AAR weak dps with or without pierce. yes its the weakest class in the game period. even demo is better.
people like you clamoring and asskissing a noobtrap skill like OFF is why arcanist has been down in the fucking dumbster for so many years.
Arcanist isn’t the worst class,but after Nerf to CDR is in bad shape.Still tlyou have a lot of defensive and support skills.Maiven sphere-absorb damage,nullification,Mirror as CB,stun,slow,etc.
It’s a bit disappointing that these skills are narrowing down the build options as a result of trash status.：
I’d rather see OFF actually freeze the boss and get an increased cooldown to remove any permafreeze shenanigans. At least that way it would do what it freaking says and stop being a newb trap.
you’d have to remove all the freeze procs from gear and curtail devotions too for it, and while it’s preferable, it could be a lot of work.
I think OP is missing the point of the skill - it’s a levelling skill.
The same way transmuted pox, transmuted primal strike, etc. are levelling skills.
Just because some levelling skills can transition into the end game (i.e. stun jacks, or PRM) doesn’t mean that all of them can/should.
most leveling skills still function in endgame or on act bosses though, and transition into a support skill at least.
OFF doesn’t.
OFF also is, IMO, the best levelling skill.
Can you imagine if you could freeze/apply -40% fire res to an entire screen with one press of a button?
Could you imagine if you could kill the entire screen in the same press of a button, all the way through elite and ultimate? Because Judgment can do that.
AND still actually have the skill have an impact on bosses via damage and DA shred too? What?
Because plenty of skills do that. Clear trash, and still impact a boss, even if not with damage. OFF doesn’t. It isn’t even the best trash killer skill (Bloody Pox. Which does work on bosses too btw as a debuff if nothing else). OFF is a one trick pony in a game where that trick is about as valuable as a rack of antlers on a cat.
Calling something a leveling skill is basically admitting that the design space it occupies is poorly done. Literally anything could be a “leveling skill” with that approach. Give every boss a 3s nullify “Well toggles are leveling skills”. Make bosses RR immune “Well CoF is a leveling skill”. It’s just arbitrary and really punishes the masteries that contain them, but more so it’s not an excuse to have useless skills at endgame.
That’s again incorrect. Why don’t you try levelling with AAR? Or levelling with FoI?
What’s so ‘poorly designed’ about having early game skills/items and late game skills/items?
Seems intelligent to me.
Again, like I said, just because some skills can make the transition from early to late game, doesn’t mean that all skills should.
For every example that you list capable of making this transition, I could probably name you one which can’t.
Also…mad_lee would disagree with you when you say that OFF can’t be used - https://www.grimdawn.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80620
It’s also going to become even more potent with 1.1.2.0
The Mageslayer Set: increased % Freeze Resist Reduction modifier for Olexra’s Flash Freeze to -55%, added -8% Elemental Resist modifier for Veil of Shadow
Currently? All bad skills are receiving changes to NOT be trash idiotic skills to level with exclusively. Some skills are bad just because they lack gear support for the endgame, and even then remain as a functional part of a build. Canister bomb for instance just got changes to be a better skill, with the rework to it’s transmutor and buffs to itemization for it with the rework of the Barrelsmith set and the upcoming Ulzuin set rework.
I’ve leveled with almost every single skill in the game to this date. Necro’s Reap Spirit is one of the few exceptions (Just because the skill holds no real interest to me). Some are really good at it. Some… are not. But regardless of WHAT skill I chose to level with, there was one thing consistent. I could benefit my ability to kill a boss with it. OFF cant ever kill, CC, or reduce the resistances of a boss, and in many cases outside of a specific amulet for Nightblades, can’t even DAMAGE a boss.
OFF is not only garbage, it is a skill I actively discourage new players from playing with. Because it just breeds bad habits, and only does something that is better done with actual skills that scale throughout the game.
You might have missed this…
P.S: I’m not sure if you might retort with, ‘but that requires a full set to make the transition,’ but if you were planning on that, I’d like to point out that many levelling skills require a full set to make that transition to the late game:
It isn’t just make the transition to the late game, but to actually exist at ALL in the lategame. I can play PRM, Canister Bomb, Stunjacks, and Stormbox all without those sets. It isn’t going to be as good, but I can PLAY them just fine. I def won’t bring them into crucible without it though.
If anything, your link shows just how rough Harra’s set is when you wouldn’t even use it for the dual class combo its meant for when using one of the skills it specifically buffs, and instead using a different set with no buffs toward the related skill.
OFF? Either full mageslayer, or the Nightblade amulet. Or just ignore the skill entirely because otherwise it is a steaming pile of trash currently outside of making leveling easy while you max Shadowstrike on a spellbreaker.
Ok. Agree to disagree I guess.
I just think that the ability to freeze a nem, even for a split second, is incredibly potent because you can interrupt attack animations forcing them to start all over again.
Basically, you can buy yourself 1s of invulnerbility ever 6 seconds. (with a 5s downtime)
So of all the levelling skills, it makes sense to me for OFF to be the most item dependent one in terms of making that transition to the late game.
EDIT: I also just want to mention that OFF is incredibly potent as a levelling skill on ANY class using the arcanist. You just need to pair it with greater fire blast.
2nd EDIT:
Um…mad_lee made this build before the announcement of Harra?
https://www.grimdawn.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83379
He’s also proven on a later occasion that the harra set is the best cold PB set, and possibly the best PB set there is (though I’m biased towards the demonslayer set so I’d only go so far as to say that it’s definitely competitive).
Makes me wonder, how many people who posted in this thread actually tested endgame with OFF to any serious extent…
Just because OFF is not a main (was never meant to be) doesn’t mean it’s trash. It’s strictly support with limited - but by no means irrelevant - functionality. And it’s fun af. 7 minutes in Crucible 1.1 is not nothing. https://www.grimdawn.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81829
Fixing OFF freeze would require carefully adjusting freeze res values on all enemies to all freeze rr sources to all sources of cdr. A task Sisyphean.
Making OFF a free rr debuff goes against (what I believe is) Crate’s vision for arcanist. It’s supposed to be a mastery with no rr and other things to make up for it. That those things no longer exist is a different matter…