Savagery for Bleed build question

[tqFan]

I’d like to make sure if I’m thinking right. Please check if this is correct. New to bleed builds.

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Here’s my Savagery with WPS: Shaman, Level 100 (GD 1.1.9.6) - Grim Dawn Build Calculator

using it for passives and proccing devo.

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I actually have 15 spare points to max Savagery but it doesn’t seem worth it to me.
I already have like 4k Bleed / s = 12k Bleed / 3s damage according to my calculation (not counting % damage, RR, crits etc)
from various procs and 350% Weapon damage skill.

I calculated that bumping this to 26/16 will, together with its effect on WPS, give me like 150 Bleed / s.
so the gain would be like 150 / 4000 = 3.75% which is not impressive. I’d rather take some skills for OA / Health (for Ravager fight mainly)

[edit] I think I calculated this wrong but still shouldn’t be much

[edit2] Recalculated to around 170 Bleed / s

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I noticed that

• % Bleed bonus is global, well that’s something at least

• but flat Bleed is not global actually, then it would be no brainer

I may take it eventually because 26/16 looks good in Grim Tools.

[Monceaux]

Where’s that 150 coming from ? I get roughly the same result but before accounting the wd in, are you saying the Savagery charges don’t affect the %wd part ?

[tqFan]

They do, I just have another higher source of WD. I read a few days ago that only one source of WD dot (highest) counts in Malawiglenn’s guide, before that I heard it on Rekt’s stream.

Btw if the build is ok I will test what difference hardcapping Savagery makes for it because you can never be 100% sure.

[tqFan]

Another question I’ve got problem with:

@Lord_Yanaek

For instance : Execution does 265% Weapon Damage on 8/8. Belgothian Strikes as indicated above does 155% Weapon Damage at 100% charge and can go to 115% charge. If Execution procs from Belgothian Strikes while it’s fully charged it will deal 2.65 1.55 1.15 = 4.72 or 472% Weapon Damage, almost 5 times a basic attack and that’s without any added %Weapon Damage from gear. Some builds can go as high as 842% Weapon Damage when the correct WPS procs from Savagery. Imagine a critical strike on top of this and we’re looking at stupidly high damage output.

Do you know if this is correct and also how it then works for DoT?

For example

• Savagery at 26/16 has 162% Weapon damage
• Feral Hunger at 20/10 has 210% Weapon damage

If I proc Feral Hunger at 9 Savagery charges (1.15 multiplier), do I get

• 115% x 210% = 241.5% WD dot

or

• 115% x 210% x 162% = 391% WD dot

[edit] I tested it and the answer seems to be that you get the higher DoT - 391% WD dot

[The_Coyote]

the second - it is multiplicative - also keep in mind that more attacks per second lead to higher probality of crits - with the damage bonus applied to DoT damage

[tqFan]

And I thought Primal Strike / Oleron’s Might I was using have higher %WD ( ~355%).
Turns out Feral Hunger is bigger.

[RektbyProtoss]

@tqFan

only one source of WD dot (highest) counts in Malawiglenn’s guide, before that I heard it on Rekt’s stream.

While that is correct, feral hunger uses savagery and thus all of its %WD and multipliers as base damage so as Coyote mentioned and you confirmed ingame the second calc is correct.

@tqFan

115% x 210% x 162% = 391% WD dot