many “top builds” i have seen picks Watcher instead of Tortoise, but why? does that 5% DA give that seduction or the pierce resistance? i always thought that shield and base DA of tortoise is very nice to have :eek:
DA is very strong in crucible for example. Bot no one says you can’t have both.
Casters also have low pierce res so again watcher is good
Or maybe you can’t afford Watcher but can take Tortoise. Some nice DA and an ok proc that can potentially save your life.
So stat wise Watcher is stronger but Tortoise is an ok replacement in certain situations. I use it in a build I’ll be posting today for example
It uses another devotion proc that is actually good but Tortoise, I wonder if you really need it with all that ADCtH. I am guessing you prepared it for some unlucky moments?
To the OP
Maybe I am biased because Ghoulish Hunger (for melee and weapon damage builds) is actually a good circutbreaker and because Arcane Barrier is such reliable defensive shield that I don’t consider Tortoise to be good.
The amount of total damage Tortoise can defend you against can be dealt to you in one hit by some of the end game bosses
It did proc once vs Reaper at 165 who can burst you hard. i was objectively stupid there :D. If bone barrier is on CD(love that thing) you have something to fall back on if you mess up. I played a bit carelessly to show what the build can take and was only my second time in crucible with it.
But I will mention that for those without lag it’s not that necessary
so i guess tortoise is a “low level gem” :eek:
Oh absolutely, it helps many new players who don’t have access to Behemoth
Hah 
The most impressive feat is pumping these many 170 builds out with that lag
No, not if you don’t rely on it and have a good build. It’s a decent cushion. Arcane barrier is much better but it’s still ok
im kinda sceptical about it, since the giants blood heal can hit me up when i dont really need it and then be on CD when im dieing 
or there is something i missed? (ofc +400 hp and +8% are nice )
On some builds where I have 2-3 points left, I have considered taking the first few nodes on Tortoise for a nice blend of health and DA.
Otherwise, I find I don’t ever use Turtle Shell on end games and if I do want a bubble proc on low-level characters, I will instead look at Maiven’s Lens or Sanctuary and pair them with gear with chunks of resist to specific damage types like how ‘Resistant’ gear can add around 10-50% to Fire/Cold/Lightning/Acid etc.
but it can be activated randomly, even at full hp, which makes no sense to use it as a resque thing
Turtle shell? No no… Never going to taint my builds with that subpar protection. I’d rather die than go turtling around:rolleyes:
Using Sanctuary or Maiven’s Lens is less about being a circuit breaker and more of being another way to soak damage, especially on low armour, squishy casters. This is compounded further by the fact that they don’t have a duration so if you proc either one (or Turtle Shell as well I think?) and it survives the fight, the remainder can be carried into the next encounter.
didnt know that, nice