^^^ John Ceno before or after a Shadow Strike? You be the judge.
That seems a little counter productive to me. You want extra levels that don’t do anything other than tick a counter number and add an extra stat bonus somewhere. Compare that to a completely new build with alterations in gearing, stats, skills, leveling progression, etc and the idea that Paragon levels, with so little to offer, would be an appropriate solution for boredom seems a little strange. I mean different strokes for different folks but it just seems like one option would increase boredom rather than alleviate it.
IT’S JOOOOOOHN CEEEEEEENOOOOOOOOOOO
did you just make ceno into a meme, grumple?
lol…
Anyway…
I disagree with the paragon thing too, it doesn’t really fit the game imo.
to make it even more boring ? at least different builds are not completely the same-old grind…
Also, I like how you asked how others feel about them and literally everyone was against them and then you decided to still ask for them… I guess you were hoping for a better reception so you had some support before asking for them but when that was not coming decided ‘what the heck, I’m gonna ask for them anyway’ 
I’m curious about that Gatling Gun character.
Well. Back in the day before they reworked SS and Blitz, Ceno waving those fingers in front of his face just might have successfully blocked my SS.
Not anymore Ceno. Not anymore.
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Diablo 3 Paragon Levels work for a few reasons only pertaining to Diablo 3:
1: Too easy to get to max level - original devs planned only to 60 max because they didn’t agree with the idea of long level progression like in D2’s 99
2: No point in making multiple characters of the same class since you can switch skills/passives whenever
Basically Paragon leveling was added because the replay value of Diablo 3 was so terrible - another reason why G rifts / adventure mode was added to make up for the lack of replay ability.
Compared to GD where the Dual Mastery system, Devotion add so much more replay value. You can make a ton of different characters and they could all be quite different when it comes to skill build, itemization and devotion.
Modding + Survival Mode and later expansions will only add to the game’s replay value. D3 getting more expansions is doubtful imo since Blizzard has other games that earn more and also a lot of hatred is linked to Diablo 3 due to it’s releases failure to capture those who were expecting a game that copied what made Diablo 2 good and expanded on it. Instead D3 simplified a lot of what was in D2 or completely ignored certain features.
So imo GD has a greater chance in continuing compared to D3.
Grim Dawn absolutely does NOT need Paragon levels. At the same time, I do get that some people want or need something to keep them going besides grailing(more or less getting every item in the game). I want to find the rare items and put things back for other future builds. That is fine for me and enough to keep me occupied for a very long time.
I played Diablo 3 alot. From launch until this past December. My main character has well over 3,000 hours the last time I looked, maybe more, and several other characters with over 2,000 hours. The WOW/Starcraft devs they brought in to develop D3 lacked the heart to make it the game it could have been, and I will always believe this. The devs that made D1/D2 had a big part of their life invested in the game; Dave Brevick came up with the idea for the game in high school, and so on. Go look at the leaderboards for Grifts, and you will see people with 3,000 plus Paragon Levels, and the power creep is just stupid. Placing a type of competition mechanic like Grifts into the game, and it being the centerpiece of the whole game, just flat out killed it for somebody like me that played the game for the items. I cant stand the 4/2 system for stats on gear, and all the gimmick type effects placed on gear are a piss poor attempt at making them cool.
Grim Dawn is beautiful. It has stayed true to the hack and slash ARPG genre. A cheap mechanic to bloat the numbers would just take a big shit on the game.
Crate should ban people, for wanting Grim Dawn to be more like Diablo 3!
Yeah becouse fuck freedom of mind and speech right ?
It doesn’t, imho.
For a change I have to completely agree with him.
How can a ban violate freedom of mind and speech?
Please enlighten me.
But it sounds awesome, when people start the whole “freedom speech”
I don’t understand people want Grim Dawn to be like one of the worst ever ARPG, its like people stating Grim Dawn is too easy, yet they play softcore, dies a trillion times and yet claims its too easy.
My logic ain’t broken enough to follow the idea.
Seriously ? How can it not ?
How do you express your ideas here after being banned ? You cannot, so it directly affects your freedom of speech
No one should be banned for having an idea you disagree with. If anyone should be banned it is for being a spam bot or constantly insulting everyone.
As with most sane, reputable people have stated… having a paragon like system in grimdawn would be absolutley horrid. Instead you humans should be thinking about better ideas to implement into the game, which ceno is doing with his ever so devoted, and awesome grimdawn modding journey.
I would be all for a new combat mechanic, or devotion like mechanic… LETS ADD MORE LAYERS OF DEPTH TO THE GAME NOT SIMPLY IT. I know what most of you want, and crate can only do so fucking much lol. content, and mechanics ect… ect… game deving takes time, and patience. I’ll be damned if someone mentions something ludicrious like “paragon” like system coming from that pile of crap they call diablo3, and anymore mention of “paragon” would just be an insult to not only most people here, and crate but DERP DERP probably from one of the guys hmm I don’t know? WHO IS FROM DIABLO2 DEV WHO JUST SO HAPPENS TO BE WORKING WITH CRATE. The illogical reasoning of some people just makes it to where a “meme” would never be able to entail my thoughts on this utterly laughable matter. ?end rant.
I believe in D3 Paragon levels were introduced to counterbalance the fact that :
(1) only 10 characters can be created - unless you don’t delete existing ones
(2) there is no true class customization for each character created … since all skills of a class are available to that class
(3) game cannot be modded
So paragon levels was a major incentive to encourage people to keep them interested in the game … once the hype cools down !
For however much shade is thrown at Diablo 3 from loyal Grim Dawn players - D3 does do some ARPG things way better than GD does. I’m not saying GD is a lesser game - I have spent the last month playing it, it is a fantastic ARPG. I have played every relevant ARPG that has ever existed, and I can say that D3 does do some ARPG things much better than GD. However, I agree…GD does not need a paragon system. GD likely does not need a raise in level cap either. I would challenge Crate to find more creative ways to progress characters rather than buffing the level cap. Devotion is awesome. I would think along the lines of the creative effort than spawned Devotion rather than cookie-cutting-out a higher level cap.
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that definitely was the intent, but did it accomplish that ? 95% of buyers no longer play D3, so I’d say it did not…
It was a flawed fix that failed at fixing a deeply flawed game in any meaningful way. D3’s design was a mistake and Blizzard by now knows that, which is why they moved on rather than releasing the second expansion, D3 is beyond the point of salvaging
ok, now I am curious What ARPG things did D3 do better ?
The only thing it did good was the fluid combat and I am not even sure that is an ARPG thing Anything ARPG it failed miserably at imo, so I am curious to know where you think it actually succeeded
I’m glad Grim Dawn is its own thing and not homogenized into traits of Every Other ARPG™.
I think it’s fuggen hilarious all you guys say that botters ruined D3 for you yet botters don’t do shit to the game anymore now that there is no RMAH in it. How exactly does a botter ruin the game for you in d3? Because you don’t get to see your name in the number 1 spot on a leaderboard which ruins games way more than endless grinding does? Give me a break! It’s a game not a competition, so botters ruining d3 means absolutely nothing unless you’re one of the gamers that thinks if he can’t see his name in top 10 at all times then he quits the game. LOLOLOL