Well then it can´t be saved
And it is doomed forever…
Having exclusive skill as a debuff just isn´t working. That may be why it sucks.
Maybe only far more RR could do it…
Well then it can´t be saved
And it is doomed forever…
Having exclusive skill as a debuff just isn´t working. That may be why it sucks.
Maybe only far more RR could do it…
There was a time when Cold Infiltrators were the best builds for years, precisely because Nightblade and Inquisitor both had passive Aura RR and damage reduction all at once. Censure being an Exclusive is an intentional design choice to make sure Inquisitors don’t become the auto-pick when it comes to Elemental damage and that other classes can remotely compete with them.
As for some of the other combinations:
A damage multiplier like RR and damage reduction in an aura is always going to be OP. ~150% damage on a build that already has 2,500% damage (which between gearing and Cunning / Spirit bonuses, it usually is) is roughly a 6% damage increase, while -20% RR is around a 12% - 20% damage increase depending on how much resistance the enemy innately has.
Yes, having to pay 10-18 skill points for it is a trade-off, but it’s a good thing because otherwise people would simply auto-pick Inquisitor because it’d be the best of all trades. There will always be a need for Aura RR, but the equipment supporting it needs to make sense, and many of the current modifiers for AoC don’t really make sense.
i feel like this mixes up some stuff
The basic thing being when a class has RR we always take it, so Inquis is not getting anything extra, it’s taking something mandatory everyone else does, while then losing the 6% build dmg value
So then there is the DR argument, which is again going to stand extra up in Mi0’s topic example where you get all the RR frontloaded, so you’re scaling Censure just for range and DR; while getting less DR you could elsewhere for the same points/devo/15% item proc.
And for non vit/item granted RR, you’re once gain getting the same RR everyone else gets; while getting the same or worse DR everyone else gets because of the amount
There is just nothing overpowered about the amount or passiveness anymore/contra what it might have been thought of or appeared of initially in early Inquis days
And while i dislike using it as example, suppose it is kinda a “meta” balance glimpse. If it was really that OP by itself, i’d venture we’d seen more ele inquises on top20 the past years, than Rata Foi or Spam jacks,
Or just the good ol’ basic “primal strike druid/warder > vindicator etc” through the years
- heck sometimes i think people pick vindicator simply just to not deal with mines, not because AoC is better or stronger (DR), but a willing sacrifice to shave a single button (and people forget Oathkeeper exists with ele RR now
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edit thought on that note
the way i’ve always “understood” it, was kinda Mines compensated for its clunk with having the highest RR (which got nerfed with some enemy/balance changes iirc?)
Assuming that was actually the case and not just misguided impression, then it would seem it’s fitting AoC compensates for taking en exclusive slot, and passiveness is not enough because both passive RR and passive DR is available to builds too (Veil/Empys/devils/Yugol/item procs/skill mods)
I kinda thought the disrupt was part of that, but looking that many heroes are fully immune to it too, guess that’s not it either ![]()
What you said does make sense, but Nightbalde also has Aura RR which is not exclusive and accessible at only 15 mastery levels. For some RR modifiers, like Ember Calling and Blaze Herald, you can even not use Night Chill. Comparing the two class, this design/exclusive Censure is not very reasonable.
Other Exclusive Skill has not only % damage, flat damage, % OA, absorption and etc. Taken together, Censure is not stronger.
In top 31 builds excluding RtA, only one elemental builds (Chillwhisper Infiltrator) choose Inquisitor. Hard to say auto-pick. And you can see Aether DW melee Reaper in top 31, Nightblade has no native aether support, but 60% Aura RR modifers makes Nightblade an important component. This situation is completely absent for Inquisitor.
Yeah, I couldn’t agree more.
This post gave me whiplash.
What wild times we live in.
Censure exists in its present state after countless nerfs because it was by far the strongest exclusive skill by a colossal margin.
If it’s weak now, chances are good some slight number tweaks will bump it up into relevancy again.
That said, it’s a fair consideration that what Censure offers (RR/DR) has proliferated throughout the game so it’s not infeasible it may need something new to set it apart again.
A long time ago in a galaxy far far away…
I still remember people complaining about the Censure/Inquisitor Seal combo basically making you nigh unkillable.
The primary reason that Inquisitors - and more specifically Elemental Inquisitors - aren’t as well-represented in the top 20 is because of the rest of Inquisitor’s kit, not Censure. Ranged gun users are in the “crying tears” section of the top 20 thread, Runes of Hagarrad + Kalastor have never been top 20 material outside of Crucible times since mines are, by design, anti-thetical to a “keep moving forward” mindset, and FoI is a channeling skill that loves having Censure so you don’t have to interrupt your channeling with other buttons.
However, as people mentioned, Censure’s peak was before Wind Devils became permanent and Necromancer got passive Cold RR in its kit. With those new buffs, Inquisitor really does need more oomph in its package. A simple solution would be to give it decent stackable -DA shred, which would be the debuff equivalent of buffing the player’s OA, and it would stack well with its Crit-heavy arsenal.