Since the playtest is locked now, I’ll bring the discussion over here. From the most recent playtest version, I just pulled up an older town and found the medicinal roots to be the same in my tier 2 forager as in a previous screenshot in the playtest threads, 1 per plant. This is on an Idyllic Valley map with the extra resources turned on. That forager’s hut was putting out 70+ roots per year before this change. There is absolutely no point to a tier 2 forager hut with these settings in place. No one needs only 6 roots per year while taking up 1 worker from the labor pool.
The roots and willow seem to be the worst of this. The nuts are showing 11 per bush or 66 per year, still a ridiculously low number for an entire worker to be used for an entire year to produce that amount. I understand the convenience of the tier 2 forager’s hut, but shouldn’t using 1 worker get outputs somewhere even close to what a normal forager could get? This is supposed to bring these foraging items closer to your town when the roots and willow and whatnot are found only in areas that are long distances away. Having to put up 10 tier 2 forager’s huts to achieve the same output as the previous iteration is ludicrous.
The T2 forager hut was nerfed way to much. It needs to be rebalanced as it isn’t much use as a food or item producer. A T1 forager, if micromanaged, can produce over a 1000 food a year if you’ve got a few good spots to move him around on.
Ive stopped playing atm, the overnerfing of stuff has got out of hand, I would rather have a decent building with very good output than some nerfed into the ground building
All this nerfing of the forager and hunter shacks should be remedied. And I got a great idea. I think hazelnut bushes should be made moveable just like blueberries. That would be really nice.
I agree that T2 has been worsened a bit too much, to the point to be almost useless… and worst part is that the game keeps remembering you through that yellow arrow that you have to upgrade it. Upgrade for what purpose? To worsening outputs, since T2 forager shacks can’t harvest natural resources?
There are two solutions here: one is allowing both harvesting types (cultivating and also keeping narural sources harvesting), and the other is increasing cultivation production to the point it becomes worthy again. Any of both are fine, just please do something.
Let me add to this. Forager’s Garden should allow you to MOVE up to 6 WILD RESOURCES to the garden area from anywhere on the map, subject to local growth support (which should be in the tooltip). Herbs do best in wooded or marsh areas, medicine roots only grow in marsh areas, eggs need trees, etc.
A T1 Forager shack can pick over 300 nuts a year if you have them anywhere near your town. An improved T2 forager shack will produce 66 nuts a year. That there sounds like government math to me. LOL
I just started playing again after a loooong break and after several restarts I’ve been doing ok, until I upgraded all my forager shacks and didn’t realize they DIDN’T FORAGE ANYMORE!!!
My months of reserve food went poof and I didn’t know why for a while until I realized the foragers weren’t picking up anything and the upgrade didn’t add a garden as an extra, it was a garden INSTEAD of doing the regular duties. This is an awful ‘upgrade’. Now I’m building extra level one shacks to get back all the stuff that wasn’t getting picked up.
The upgrade should add a worker spot for garden tending and keep the first worker for foraging.
Devs are aware. Zantai said somewhere (can’t find the quote atm) that they were looking to have t2 foragers both have their gardens and also continue collecting in their areas.
As a player who started from version 0.82, I have to say that both the Hunter’s Hut and the Tier 2 Gatherer’s Hut have been nerfed to the point of being somewhat uninteresting…
Especially the Gatherer’s Hut—it wasn’t even after long-term observation, but rather in just a version or two, its originally high values were met with complaints and then abruptly nerfed so harshly that it’s now almost meaningless.
I really hope the Hunter’s Hut and the Gatherer’s Hut can receive the care and attention they truly deserve.
I can’t help but to wonder what the thought process was behind this. I’m playing the lakes map, which is not a hard difficulty, and the T2 foragers only produce 6 medicinal roots per year. Who thought 6/year was a good number? What, did they just say “screw our customers, lets make the game unenjoyable”?
I watch as my forager walks half way across the map, only to turn around just as they reach the resource they’re supposed to harvest, to go all the way back to town to pray or bring a unit of soap to the shack. what the heck kind of logic is that?
Honestly, it would be cool to have them do both, but on a map with literally no medicine it would be helpful to be able to just lock them to just being a gardener who lives in town and produces more medicine.
