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The number of people who do this MinMaxing and gamebreaking builds and try to get to beyond the planned end of the Shattered Realm

I don’t min-max or make gamebreaking builds tho

they are also the most vocal and most often heard by the developer

I often accuse Zantai of not heaing our pleas (well, more like protests, but still…)

However because these players are so vocal, we often had changes to the game forced by them that were frankly, detrimental to those who only play single player - which is the vast majority of the players.

True, since most of the balancing comes as a result of comparatively small playerbase and builds whose results others might not even get close to.

because we have seen sets and skills nerfed for exploits that most casual players would never have thought of…

I am not sure who said it, but I am sure someone did… that because of this reason, it is better to give the devs, or Zantai in this case, as much info as possible on how a particular build achieves certain results, its consistency etc so that nerfs if made, can be made accordingly if possible, in such a way that most won’t even notice it having a detrimental effect on their games.

Hence why 2 of the builds I ran SR with for the challenge also included post on exactly how the game played out and what sort of difficulties I had to face.

Cross posting from their own threads:

GrimSheet: Endgame Build Table - ETE edition [v1.24]

Alright, first the build: The Fluffy Squishy - Pet Conjurer

Now, the Challenge: SR 120, Nemesis combos were: Shattered Outcast, Bennjahr, Iron Maiden & Fabius.

Consumables used: All the HP and HP regen buff potions, Pet potions, Tonic of Mending, Aether clusters.

Deaths: In double digits and after a while keeping count became a chore.

Timer: Naturally, not possible to do it within the allocated time.

Now for the glorious pics :3

https://imgur.com/0HGTTrz.png

https://imgur.com/B7keigi.png

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Thoughts on the fight(s):

Superbosses felt like hero mobs comparatively…

To begin with, there were a handful of deaths in non boss rooms. Pets also suffered a few deaths and required respawning.

The major issue however was the traps. They easily ended up causing most of the deaths for both the player and the pets.

Nemesis tier bosses were skipped in non boss rooms and would have likely been outright impossible. Same for Healer mobs.

Camera abuse was used extensively for the boss room. Also with max zoomed in to allow for easier means of losing aggro. Also helped with pulling them one by one.

Originally I was going to go for a “no consumables except for Tonic & Clusters” run, but kiting Iron Maiden was a problem because you need to do enough damage to counter her self heal and as you can see from the screenshots, I started using them extensively at this point.

Anasteria, the shattered outcast version, surprisingly was the easiest Boss to face and was pulled first.

Benny’s traps were 1 hit KO without Aether Clusters, but his general lack of aggro and slow movement meant he was not much of a threat.

Iron Maiden was the 3rd pull and by now I had bit of a kiting space. Naturally I couldn’t stay too far away since I didn’t want to be blitzed to the face in a 1-2 shot combo. The Statues were a huge help and I basically treated the fight like a much more dangerous version of Ravager.

Fabius was left for last since he could easily 1 shot the player and was also capable of making mincemeat out of the Pets. Gameplay went like this:

• Is Aether Cluster ready to be used? Fight him.
• Is it on CD? Run/Reset aggro.
• Is he on your screen while max zoomed in? Run.
• Is he not on your screen and also not on the mini-map? Run.
• Standing still? Don’t forget to collect your corpse.

Now, this was my first try and I didn’t fish for mutators or boss combos, mostly because it was also my first ever SR run on a shard higher than SR100, so didn’t know what to expect. I can safely say that 9 out of 10 runs will most likely end in failure at these levels with my build. So this should be treated as more of a “throwing yourself into the fire until it is extinguished” kind of thing and was done only for the challenge and is not a realistic expectation of the build’s capability or strength.

I can kill Ravager and Moggy later and post SS to add to all this.

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[1.1.8.1] KaosKats V2 Taking pets to the Darkside || EVERYTHING+++ 5.37 Cruci ||

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First things first, the build is still a monster even in SR 120. Not sure how or why it still does this much damage, but it does.

That said, I must also concede that as easy it is to kill enemies, it is just as easy to die.
If you get aggro, you die. If you get hit by Iron Maiden or Fabius, step on a single BennJahr’s mine, a meteor lands anywhere withing your field of view… you get the idea.

Perhaps because I am used to playing builds that go all in on defense (i.e, my own builds), this was extremely challenging for me and I spent god knows how many hours trying to actually do atleast one run after boasting to Crittrain via PM that the build shreds SR 120

The reason is mostly that the non boss shards go extremely fast since like I said above, there is alot of damage packed into the build and so it does Shred through most things. Plus, as you can see from the screenshot, I did not shy away from using consumables either. Since I had tested the build before, I kind of had an idea what to expect, so started using consumables from the beginning itself rather than wait till the boss room.

My issue however was Fabius “ICritU<3” Gonzar showing up pretty much every single run. And when he didn’t, he sent his friend Iron “IWantHugsies :3” Maiden. Both of them only need to look in your general direction for you to die. 2 runs where they didn’t show up, I had Moosi + Kaisan in one and Reaper + Kuba in another.

So, most of the time was spent trying to actually get a boss room I could complete. I finally got one with Salazin, the Shattered Blade, Valdaran, Zantarin & Benn’jahr. Even there I died plenty and had to reset aggro multiple times because Valdaran kept swapping me into the middle of everything leading to extreme violation and defilement of the summoner and his pets…

Salazin fell first, followed by Valdaran and then Zantarin and finally Benny. To be honest I wasn’t even sure I would be able to complete it and originally wanted to go for the lava map, but was too tired to further tempt fate…

As for gameplay, it revolved around running like a headless chicken on fire through a minefield while being carpet bombed…

As for consumables, pretty much everything I could think of, I used. I also got the extra temporary Pet thingy from Vile Tincture just for extra dps.

Major issue was aggro even though it is a beastcaller build with 17/12 GroundSlam. I suppose it could be attributed to having more active skills and not getting that mutator which lowers enemy resistance to Taunts.

Also, there was the health drain from Dying God and low HP & HP Regen compared to my usual Pet builds that I am familiar with. Combine that with a piano-ish playstyle which also is something I am not used to… and I was having trouble with piloting.

But I must also say that seeing the boss’s health bar vanishing rapidly as opposed to feeling like fighting Callagadra, was pretty awesome.

And before I forget, Camera Abuse naturally was exploited to the maximum. We will see how things turn out SR wise in the next patch once Camera thingy is removed, but I am willing to bet that it would still be a monster. Having to fight 2 bosses at once doesn’t make much difference if they melt like Ice cream in boiling water

All that said, the Fwuffy haz done its part and now for the most important thing:

As you can see, both cases are not something easily replicated nor remotely possible without exploits and even then, requires a lot of luck to actually pull it off.

If on the basis of the results alone, pet builds were nerfed for eg; that would hurt everyone as the results are in no way indication of the build’s strength, but more about the pilot’s perseverance and having too much free time.

But if fixing camera exploit were to bring everything into line for eg, then no need to nerf the builds themselves.