Valdun's Cadence or Firestrike?

In a derailing off topic talk on the effect of “100% Chance to pass through Enemies” on certain rifles, the combination between this mechanic and fire strike’s explosive strike modifier was touched upon.

Original thread:
http://www.grimdawn.com/forums/showthread.php?p=527935#post527935

This mechanic is present on the following weapons:
https://gracefuldusk.appspot.com/items/8842-Valdun’s-Rifle (as proc)
https://gracefuldusk.appspot.com/items/8185-Vortex-of-Souls
https://gracefuldusk.appspot.com/items/8174-Empowered-Will-of-Fate (not sure if it’s a proc, or the 10% only applies to the +600% elemental)

Now I never had the pleasure yet to acquire the Valdun’s set - but currently, am levelling a Commando for exactly that purpose. b[/b] I am now wondering what would be better for a Valdun build: using Cadence or Firestrike.

Furthermore, if Explosive Strike procs with every enemy it hits, b[/b] would the same work for Cadence? E.g. if you have 3 enemies lined up, will the 3rd always proc the cadence? And if so b[/b], which would then be better? Considering the Valdun set gives +5 to cadence, one would suggest to indeed use cadence - did anyone try out a build with fire strike instead?

Finally, b[/b] with fire strike as the auto attacker - how would the 100% pass through mechanic work with brimstone? Would it splinter with each enemy it passes through?

Using Valduin Set with Fire Stike fails to benefit from all the bonuses this set provides.

Also i would appreciate to have idea of devotion setup bss Commando with Valduin Set and cadence, checked several options at grimcalc, nothing seems entirely suitable.

Valdun’s Rifle grants a skill not a proc :frowning:

I mean, it’s a really powerful and satisfying one, seeing everything in front of you getting pierced and knocked down is pretty awesome. It just doesn’t work as a WPS as you hoped.

Indeed I stand corrected, thank you! So no Fragmenting Round / Explosive Strike bamboozlement.

Though the other two weapons do work with a proc - what would the effects be of a proc with cadence? E.g Cadence transmuted with Discord to be full elemental and the Will of Fate?

None of these 3 items has a proc! The “100% chance to pass through enemies” is just a stat, procs have “%chance on attack” in their tooltips.

Will of Fate damage would be turned to elemental, then multiplied by whatever Cadence %weapon damage has (400% something?), then the bullet goes through.

For weapons with built-in pierce, Primal Strike or Fire Strike is the way to go.
For everything else Cadence is mvp due 400%+ WDM and pierce from Fighting Form on the shots that matter.

Ought to be powerful if it hits together with that 10% proc on 600% elemental damage :o

16/16 Cadence = 420%. If they hit together it would weapon damage * 25.2 - ought to try that out once I get there!

Wrong. It’s not a multiplier, they stack additively. You’ll have 420% without proc and 1020% with proc + (not *) any other %% numbers you have. This is the reason for crit multiplier with high OA being the best ways to boost DPS besides resist reduction.

no doubt. Cadence.
why ? fighting form 100% passing through enemy

If someone is interested (includes everything): http://www.grimtools.com/calc/vNQLRpZ6

For the stats i recommend my screenshots instead of grimtools, but maybe i got good rolls. ¯_(ツ)_/¯





BTW: Oleron’s Wrath got +1 to Fighting Form and Squad Tactics

Sry but:

  1. Your dmg is low.
  2. Your RR is low.
  3. Even your HP is low.

Think about reworking it a bit at least :wink:

GrimDawnJohn is right. I do not know why you are adding %weapon damage and %bonus damage there.

Final damage would indeed be base damage x 420% x (1 + 600% + %bonus damage from all other sources).

Thanks for fixing, I thought all %% dmg in GD are simply additive, including %WD.

Sweet, going to try that out as well if the RNG gods are favourable! (I reckon it would work best in a Battle Mage setup)