[W.H.Y.] What is happening here ?

Grim Dawn Gameplay Discussion
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Mogdrogen doesn’t deal physical damage. You went on Ravager with 9% Physical resistance, and he reduces your ALL resistances by 25 and -30%, therefore you have -46% physical resistance sometimes. You have 2567 armor, and most likely around 70 - 80% armor absorption. Let’s say Ravager hits you for 10 000 physical damage, not counting resistances or armor, the damage he deals will be 10 000 - (2567 * 0.7[armor absorption = 70%]) = 8203.1, 8203.1 * 1.46 (46% increased physical damage due to having only 9% physical resistance) = 11976.526, so the damage you receive is is even higher than his base damage. If he doesn’t debuff you, he deals 7464.821 per hit. Also, take in account you can get hit to head, and it might have only 1000 armor, so the damage will be reduces only by 700.
Now, take in account Ravager most likely will crit you sometimes, if he crits after completely debuffing you, he’ll deal 17*964.789 physical damage.

I took random damage and your whole armor in this calculation. Ravager might hit a little less than the damage listed in my message because he has only 2632 - 3414 physical + aether damage.

If you want to facetank Ravager, you need at least 4k DA (after his reductions) if you want to kill him with a melee two handed character. Also, don’t rely on lifesteal vs. him, because I had over 20% lifesteal on my Death Knight and massive resist reductions and even though he hit me like once every 5 htis I could not out-lifesteal him. I mean, you will heal a ton, that’s for sure, but he might crit you twice in a row or even thrice before missing 25 hits (assuming you have 4k DA).

So, either get massive DA or focus on Aether + Physical resistances. Also, if you don’t have over 4k armor (and 100% armor absorption) and over 20 Physical resist, don’t try to facetank him. I, even on my super tanky Death Knight that tanks literally everything, can’t facetank him if he enrages (after he loses 50% HP). I sometimes have troubles tank him even without the buff, and I have around 88% absorption, 35% physical resist, 2600+ armor and 17k HP. Just kite him, I even can kill him on my Spellbinder, who is not even that tanky and dies quickly - 100% damage absorption skill -> devastation + full spam with skills -> run away when the barrier ends -> come back and repeat. That takes a long ass time to do, but works. I killed Ravager (of souls) with my Spellbinder around 6 times.

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Or use Retaliation to make him commit suicide
Or use DoTs
Or just kite and shotgun him using CDR shotgun skills like RE or Runes

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DoTs won’t work unless you penetrate his skin (reduce resists), but if you do, it’s doable. Kiting might not work (tried with my DK before optimization), if he crits you… Yeah. :stuck_out_tongue:

But as he uses Storm totems and Wendigo, just bind penetration to those and put them and run around, easy. :]

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Kiting works
DoTs works pretty good
Even non-DoT damage needs RR to be effective so not sure what you mean there.
Crits are always an issue but that’s where your ninja reflexes come into play :smiley:

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4K DA if you want to be sure :smiley:

The way Ravager kills you isnt even by critting, it is 15k+ melee physical damage back to back under 2 seconds.

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How do you even kite Ravager? once he reaches half of his HP his speed is broadline teleportation :eek:

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thanx all for help, username especially, and can u pls answer this ?

If he has 103% Lightning Res + 27% from his helm = 130%

How much will it be reduced by my skills ? I dunno how to make the equation…

Elemental Storm : 32 reduced elemental
Ultos Hand : 25% reduced elemental
Viper : 20% reduced elemental
Wind Devil : -37% Elemental res
Arcane Bomb : -35% Lightning res

I have 52% life steal (+ghoul, bat and lifegiver) on 2h weapon, did u have 20% on two handed ?

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I have 52% life steal (+ghoul, bat and lifegiver) on 2h weapon, did u have 20% on two handed ?

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As you saw, lifesteal didn’t even heal you a little bit. If it did, he took it away right after. You have 104 reduction + 20% or 25% if you hit Ultos*. So, you basically shred him to like 15% elemental resistance, while his life leech resistance is still 90% (or whatever). Also, the fact you shred him doesn’t make you tanky. He still hits for 40% of your HP per hit, so either kite him or don’t try to fight at all.

Btw, Ghoulish Hunger is trash. You either proc it and somehow use it for like 1 second or just use the physical resist it provides to run away. I mean, overall that devotion is super good if you don’t lose 40% of your HP at once.

  • Resist reductions apply in this order: -x% reduced, x reduced and x% reduced. Only -x% stacks. So for example, having -12%, -42% and -6% will result in -60% reduction, while 32 reduced and 12 reduced will result in 32 reduced (because it’s higher) - same for x% reduced.
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So if i take him down to 15% Elem res it means i deal 85% of my entire dmg. And 52% i have life steal, with his 90% life leech res, takes it down to 5.2% life steal of 85% dmg dealt - that still should be something considering i still have 113k sheet dmg with 122% crit - even if i have low OA, when i hit and steal life (i still think i dont steal any)…i should for sure heal for at least 5k life…and im beeing very generous…or am i doing the math wrong ?

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For every ~96 154 damage you deal, you heal 5k HP. I kind of doubt you can handle dealing that much damage constantly. :stuck_out_tongue: You’ll be better off wasting more time and kiting him. But remember to connect your kiting skills with devotions that shred resists (don’t add Ultos to that, because you already shred 20% of his resists for touching him - Viper devotion). If you’ll run in circles and try to stuck him time to time, you won’t have big troubles. Try to get 135% movement speed.

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I always have 135 movemenet, but again, if u watch the vide, i never once heal for even 1k health…that is the main problem, i dont think life steal works on him, maybe he is immune like zantarin ? or it would have said somewhere ? or maybe im mistaken…but ill make 10 more videos and it will be the same, ive tried 20 times at least…not once have i life steal from him, 1k is very noticeable, but never…not once…

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He like any legendary bosses have 90% resistance against lifesteal. The only reason builds like krieg could solo him is they have lifesteal resist reduction.

In anycase the bench-line to even remotely beat him is 3K DA and at least 15K life with all maxed resist, at least 30% physical resist preferably higher. Anything below that and expect a 30k physical crit coming your way.

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DW Physical BM/WB by JoV lacks that and still solo’d him.

There also might be some Chinese players who managed to do it with some crazy setup. So Life Leech RR isn’t the only factor here

The key factor here is “experience” imo.

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I’ve been soloing him on my own Krieg and Tactician for a while, havent dared to use DW but otherwise very impressive.

Still, i think the benchline applies otherwise you gotta be really lucky if he doesnt hit you twice in a row or crit on one if you are face tanking. He crits at 2.8K DA.

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To be fair though, isn’t he is like one of the best players ever, who actually “finished the game” after that build? Said something about no more challenge anymore?

I’d say he, and those crazy Chinese setups, are more of a goal to reach than a key factor in getting there.