Warder Lighting Build Tank/DPS Solo Gladiator Crucible - Ultimate Avatar of Mogdrogen - 258k top hit

[system]

Well… Like I said Stormreaver its more deffensive one, the stats “50% Energy Absorption From Enemy Spells” and +2 skills points, helps alot for surviviality, that stats from Stormreaver which absorv 50% enemy spells, helps alot when comes 3/4+ bosses in the final waves on gladiator, which hurts his skills.

How does % energy absorption from enemy spells help with survivability? From what I understand, this doesn’t actually reduce damage. Is this build without storm reaver really that mana hungry? I guess it does use up mana for blitz/war cry/wendigo totem.

Also, how good is devotion skill Tsunami? Wind devil damage doesn’t seem that great. Anyone think its better to drop it entirely and just move elemental storm to cadence? The damage from elemental storm is basically DOT damage and elemental resistance debuff. Tsunami can fit on another skill like Feral hunger but it won’t proc much.

[Norzan]

Energy absorption doesn’t lower the damage done by enemy spells. It just makes you absorb a percentage of the total energy cost of the enemy spells.

I use Ultos Stormseeker and never run out of energy. My energy bar is alway full.

[stacler]

You guys asking to much, and doesn’t wanna to test.

Damn… Im done

[stacler]

Ok first of all, sorry about my last post, I was stressed alot, because the college, last year and end of the year, like I said.

Alot things to do, like Assigments, Term Paper and etc…

[stacler]

Just want to say thanks for this build guide. Some people like to experiment and come up with their own builds, some people like myself like to try builds made by other people then modify it to their liking.

If you could put in your skill progression say, every 10 levels so we can see roughly which skills you’re using at which level, it would be a great help. For example, I didn’t notice that you said you didn’t start using Savagery until lv. 75, so I maxed that one right off the bat.

But overall, great guide and I’m really enjoying playing this build.

Thanks mate… =)

And Ill do that in this weekend.

And savagery doesn’t worth to play without the iten’s / devotion’s proc, will be boring as fuck and kinda weak.

And you can remove the skills anytime you wanna, just the class bar you can’t.

[stacler]

How does % energy absorption from enemy spells help with survivability? From what I understand, this doesn’t actually reduce damage. Is this build without storm reaver really that mana hungry? I guess it does use up mana for blitz/war cry/wendigo totem.

Also, how good is devotion skill Tsunami? Wind devil damage doesn’t seem that great. Anyone think its better to drop it entirely and just move elemental storm to cadence? The damage from elemental storm is basically DOT damage and elemental resistance debuff. Tsunami can fit on another skill like Feral hunger but it won’t proc much.

About that I already answered on the thread.

I put Devotion because my meta for this build was to get Behemoth+Spear of the Heavens, doing that you just have 5 points which the only thing worth that was Crown’s, but I changed alot my build.

And more damage its because the 30% enemies elemantal resistes, which in this game makes a HUGE difference that, and yeah, its 30%.

Tsunami its shit, Its just a pre-requisit to Spear of the Heavens, which a devotion I like alot, the cooldown its less than 1 second, nice AoE and manily STUN, you will always stun the mobs over and over again, which helps alot when comes to you alot mobs.

Wind Devil isn’t a skill to deal damage, its a skill to proc and lower enemies resists, 30 from Ranging Tempest its 30% enemies elemantal resists reduction and also its the best guild of this game to proc.
Because Wind Devil hits twice per second, and you can summon 3, and lives 12 seconds, so, will always proc alot iten’s and devotion and also isn’t a skill which you need to type like a retarded and hurst your hands, likes grasping wines.

You just type one time every 5 seconds, thats it.

Cadence ? You are playing as lighting not physical, and Savagery its batter than Cadence for this build / gear.

But I changed my devotion, Im using now back Falcon and Charriot, Ill gonna lauch now and update.

[Dziuplapitera]

Ok first of all, sorry about my last post, I was stressed alot, because the college, last year and end of the year, like I said.

Alot things to do, like Assigments, Term Paper and etc…

Dude, don’t worry it will be fine Thanks for a nice build, it would be really nice if you continue your support and discussion about your version of warder.

After I read your post I made a new char and started to collect neccessary items to test it out. I have them all! But before we get to 75 lvl though there is long trip before us and some guide regarding skills and aproach to get there would be a very nice addition.

What I suggest is to start as vit/bleed shaman, stack as many dmg on items you can get, use mainly locust, totems with blood pact and wendigo to kill mobs. For defence get madrogen pact and some early soldier passives. As devotions take those that give additional vit/bleed dmg, f.e. Bat, Galovs, Bohemot -> Wendigo

Later on when you ready just respec, for devotions use potion of clarity that reset all points and for skills the guy in the city.

I tried to play as shaman/soldier using cadence,prmial strike but it is not fun and very slow.

Just my two cents.

[stacler]

Dude, don’t worry it will be fine Thanks for a nice build, it would be really nice if you continue your support and discussion about your version of warder.

After I read your post I made a new char and started to collect neccessary items to test it out. I have them all! But before we get to 75 lvl though there is long trip before us and some guide regarding skills and aproach to get there would be a very nice addition.

What I suggest is to start as vit/bleed shaman, stack as many dmg on items you can get, use mainly locust, totems with blood pact and wendigo to kill mobs. For defence get madrogen pact and some early soldier passives. As devotions take those that give additional vit/bleed dmg, f.e. Bat, Galovs, Bohemot -> Wendigo

Later on when you ready just respec, for devotions use potion of clarity that reset all points and for skills the guy in the city.

I tried to play as shaman/soldier using cadence,prmial strike but it is not fun and very slow.

Just my two cents.

Well its boring to play with that build to leveling, indeed.

And good idea to play with that build until lvl 75, and thinking today can play as summoner as well until lvl 75.

[Drumcorp30]

Could you be so kind and do level guide by levels, where to put skill points (skill progression).

Thank you!

[stacler]

Could you be so kind and do level guide by levels, where to put skill points (skill progression).

Thank you!

To be honest, thats doesn’t matter, you can remove the skills points anytime, just doesnt put more than 40 points in soldier’s bar.

[Dziuplapitera]

But I changed my devotion, Im using now back Falcon and Charriot, Ill gonna lauch now and update.

Can you update thread to the latest devotions and skill setup in your opinion works best?

Thanks in advance!

[Isdrydge]

Up of this thread.

I have leveled an old character which is 75 now so i’m thinking of tweaking it.

After analysis, I have made the same devotion as GC as i ended at the same conclusion. Maybe i will tweak it more later.

Here’s the base I use: http://grimcalc.com/build/http://grimcalc.com/build/1006-ne5HPT. You can not get to Tempest from there, but I tested Tempest (maxed) and the benefits are simply not worth the massive point investment (11 points total). The last 5 blue devotion points can be acquired via either Eel (for maximising the amount of leftover points), Hound + Crossroads (slightly better bonuses than Eel for an extra point) or Tsunami (extra proc but costs 5 devotion points). I opted to put the final points Eel + full Manticore (25% psn resist > extra health and armor from Hound) because the proc allows me to remove Black star (it’s also more reliable vs bosses) and use BoM to max Savagery and get more OA. There are definitely alternatives I haven’t tested yet, but this seems much stronger than any Tempest setup I tried as well as my old setup with Falcon since the proc seems quite weak now.

I have found that the flat resistance reduction from Raging tempest or Crown is simply too weak. Aside from WD draining my mana and Crown being a huge investment for few other benefits, the all resist reduction (combined with % all resist reduction from the augment or Open hand ring) improves lifesteal significantly vs bosses.

Arcane bomb is non-negotiable in my book, it’s simply too good for the point investment, especially compared to Tempest. Tempest looks slightly more appealing for the dw elementalist/sabo because of the way flat damage bonuses work with dw.

Edit: I would have to level up Tsunami to fully test it, does it really do 51 base lightning and 32% weapon damage as GrimCalc says? Because that seems really weak for the cooldown, definitely worse than Falcon, even after the nerf.

For stuff, i have chosen Judicator’s set at final. I 'm thinking about the open ones for reduc resist, but after some comparaison cause i’m looking for pierce resist, the second ones is not so bad. Do you have any comments or ideas ?

For boots, i’m looking mainly for Golerm Greaves also for pierce resist and overall stats which are quite good.

For medal i went for BoM as i have one good roll with 5 SAVAGERY

I have some trouble about resist reduction :

• does the augment (kymon or others) will stack with the open ring ? I don’t know if the details from gracefull are good or not as they are both n% reduced res. ?

Any idea to optimize the build it self ? How is important Menhir’s will & Fighting Spirit and at what level do i have to set it ?

[Isdrydge]

Short up as warder dont seems to be loved

For builds, i have also some trouble to choose what to up between :

• Tenacity of boar and storm touched ?
• Brute force and feral hunger ?
• Wendigo is mandatory ?

[GeneralCash]

Take everything I say with a grain of salt, it’s been a while.

Up of this thread.

I have leveled an old character which is 75 now so i’m thinking of tweaking it.

After analysis, I have made the same devotion as GC as i ended at the same conclusion. Maybe i will tweak it more later.

For stuff, i have chosen Judicator’s set at final. I 'm thinking about the open ones for reduc resist, but after some comparaison cause i’m looking for pierce resist, the second ones is not so bad. Do you have any comments or ideas ?

Unfortunately, the signets are quite awful now and there is no good replacement among the uniques. Farming for Resistant/Incorruptible Cronley Signet of alacrity or something along those lines is probably the best solution, attack speed is by far the best choice for increasing dps and some resistance caps like aether are tricky to meet.

For boots, i’m looking mainly for Golerm Greaves also for pierce resist and overall stats which are quite good.

The Stormtitans are quite nice, the proc is good and you don’t need that much in the defense department. Golemborn are the best unique boods, so they are never a bad choice.

For medal i went for BoM as i have one good roll with 5 SAVAGERY

Ideal would be 3 Savagery 2 Wendigo iirc, good luck crafting that though. Keep in mind that you loose resistance reduction, chaos resist and lifesteal by not using BSoD! I was dicking around with Manticore to compensate, never bothered leveling it far enough to see if it’s worth it.

I have some trouble about resist reduction :

• does the augment (kymon or others) will stack with the open ring ? I don’t know if the details from gracefull are good or not as they are both n% reduced res. ?

No. But the signets are crap. Viper is an alternative as well, but it doesn’t improve lifesteal.

Any idea to optimize the build it self ? How is important Menhir’s will & Fighting Spirit and at what level do i have to set it ?

I get 10+ into Menhir’s Will, it just works so well with the Warder. FS is kinda useless imo, but some ppl swear by it.

Short up as warder dont seems to be loved

For builds, i have also some trouble to choose what to up between :

• Tenacity of boar and storm touched ?
  You want at least 12/12 and 11/12 respectively. You can put more into Storm Touched if you want to show off char sheet dps like the thread creator, but I don’t really bother.

• Brute force and feral hunger ?
  Brute force is still awful unfortunately, would be great if it worked with dual blades though. Feral hunger until you get 25% activation chance.

• Wendigo is mandatory ?
  Some skip it, I don’t. It’s a janky spell to use, so I can see the argument for using other means of health recovery, but playing hide-and-seek with Shar’Zul or Sentinel is not my cup of tea.

[Isdrydge]

Many thanks GC for your feedback.

For Judicator’s set, my first analysuis was i want to use the open hand for reduc resistance. After analysis, the second part provide some OA, pierce resist and the bonus gave attacks speed.

I have thinked about the Crownleys rings, but don’t have a good combo now but it could be a good up if i find good ones.

In this case, what should replace the reduc resist from the open ring ?

For boots, as i used mainly Golem for pierce resist, maybe if i find good Crownleys, it could be a good replacement to go for the Stormtitans.

For now i don’t have the Black Legion reput at max for AETHER / CHAOS resist, but i think with my current set up, i will be in position to max nearly all resist but have a lots of improvement it could be done.

For builds, many thanks for your advice. you prefer Wendigo over War cry ? I’m thinking about warcry for crucible

[GeneralCash]

I don’t bother with WC unless I’m using an item that refreshes cooldowns, ever since it got nerfed hard 5-ish versions ago. Even then, it’s only good for a PRM Battlemage with Aldanar’s Vanity. Any melee build can use the Kymon augment, reducing the effectiveness of WC since the 10% from augment and 25% from WC don’t stack. A physical dmg Warder/Commando/WB using the Markovian set will already be indestructible, negating the need for the 20% increase in effective hp. A Blademaster would love to be able to spend points on WC, but he is so starved for skill points there is no way to fit it in.

[system]

still viable for gladiator?

btw, you said upheaval is linked to tempest but you didn’t even put 1 point in upheavel on grimcalc.

[rps_rado]

What is the skill assigned to the right mouse button I don’t have it?

[Mordith]

So I’ve followed this guide to the letter (with the exception of the left hand ring you have there, which I am using a duplicate Glyph I got), and I am still abysmally short on resists, which belies the pic you put up on pg 1 of the guide.

With the gear you listed, the components you stated, and the augments required, I wound up, with buffs on:

Fire: 83 (46 over)

Ice: 83 (87 over)

Lightning: 94 (205 over)

Poison: 76

Pierce: 64

Bleed: 87 (28 over)

Vitality: 62

Aether: 75

Stun resist: 53

Chaos: 79

Now, not having whatever ring you have on the left hand doesn’t explain the shortages I came up with in Ultimate. As a result, I’m getting stomped by anything other than elemental dmg, and I can’t seem to figure out a solution on how to shuffle things around to get my resists up any higher, and the ridiculous overages on the others down.

[coupet]

is this build possible with one handed sword? I got some really nice legendary swords and shields…
what changes would be needed in devotion?

thanks