What is the point of damage conversion?

[Chthon]

All conversions are applied at once. There is no order and you can’t funnel them back and forth.

This is incorrect

If I have 70% elemental to chaos and 30% Fire to Chaos

The end result won’t be 100% Fire-> chaos, basically there exists an order of conversion. What that order is is beyond me

[Norzan]

This is incorrect

If I have 70% elemental to chaos and 30% Fire to Chaos

The end result won’t be 100% Fire-> chaos, basically there exists an order of conversion. What that order is is beyond me

That’s because the game treats elemental as its own damage type, even though it’s a mixture of fire, ice and lightning.

[Ceno]

If I have 70% elemental to chaos and 30% Fire to Chaos

The end result won’t be 100% Fire-> chaos

Uhh…yes it will. Stuff’s weird, fam.

[Norzan]

Uhh…yes it will.

Uh, then explain why my Aether CT Spellbinder doesn’t have the entire of the fire portion of CT to aether, even though i have 60% Fire to Aether and 46% Elemental to Aether.

[Ceno]

Uh, then explain why my Aether CT Spellbinder doesn’t have the entire of the fire portion of CT to aether, even though i have 60% Fire to Aether and 46% Elemental to Aether.

Idunno, show me the character? Got any X -> Fire?

[Zantai]

Uhh…yes it will.

Elemental/single element dmg conversion question, or its a bug?

There is a degree of sequence to how the conversion is applied.

Basically, the game tallies up all the conversion of X to Y together, then applies them. It then tallies up A to B, then applies it. Etc.

So in your case…you have Elemental to Aether, and Fire to Aether. To the game, these are different “types” and so they are applied sequentially. The order of events this occurs in would take some digging, but not sure it’s that important.

This occurs twice, first for conversion from skills, and then for conversion from gear (essentially the game tallies up conversion on skills and item independently, so Aether to Elemental on a Skill would be considered a different “type” from Aether to Elemental on an Item).

Under no circumstances can damage be converted twice though (ex. can’t do fire to aether, then aether to chaos)

http://www.grimdawn.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61417

[blawsonhull]

This is not true, there MUST be an order in the conversion, although I do not know it. Allow me to make a practical example:
-Let’s say I only deal 100 chaos damage initially and nothing else.
-I equip Clairvoyant’s Robe (20% Chaos Damage converted to Aether Damage)
-I also equip Dread Knight’s Guard (25% Aether Damage converted to Vitality Damage)

So let me ask you, what is my damage output then?
There needs to be and order for conversion, because either chaos damage gets first converted to aether and then to vitality (so I deal some vitality damage in the end) or the opposite, I first convert aether to vitality (but I don’t have aether initially) and then chaos to aether, thus dealing no vitality damage in the end.

This is a thing I should take the time to test, but I always end up forgetting :eek:

you just follow the chain. vitality will try to take 25% of your aether but your total either would include some converted from chaos before that

[Norzan]

26% Fire to Aether on the belt
34% Fire to Aether on the amulet
25% Elemental to Aether on one ring
21% Elemental to Aether on the other ring

I have no X to Fire on either items, skills or devotions. My only conclusion is that the game treats elemental as its own damage type on conversion.

[Ceno]

<funky engine shit>

So…tl;dr Elemental -> X and [Element] -> X stacks multiplicatively? Good to know.

Order still shouldn’t matter though, you’re right.

[Sargon]

Mmm, I think I finally understand now…sorry Fluff, I was wrong!