One thing that I think might need addressing is SR 30-31 being the golden standard. Shouldn’t it be like 36-37 with all the power creep we got? And if that is bad loot/min, should its loot be buffed and/or sr30-31 loot/min be nerfed?
Would agree on this since, as it stands, using a full ascendant altar falls outside of the SR31 realm.
Ascendant is your source of ascendancy materials , TLDR if you farm in Ascendant you are probably done with items grind. I don’t think general purpose of Ascendant to be items , they are more like something you get along the way
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I don’t think this is a right call , that will affect people that don’t play Ascendant and as we know huge percent of Grim Dawn community have zero interest about endgame and chasing the right ascendancy
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You’re not wrong but there is some merit to just doing full altar ultimate runs with a really high dps character. Feels like it nets more mats per time played. I don’t have like solid numbers. This is just from eyeballing inventory after a run and gauging effort required between the 2 difficulties.
Absolutely. Banana recently posted build with zero phys res for speedrunning SR 30-31. Says all…
But there will be a lot of builds that will struggle doing SR 36-37.
I made a Deciever and Apostate recently and both struggled… Of course Inquisitor is the culprit there 
please no, because that will introduce more powercreep…
the difference is when standard it means every build, not specific tank configurations or non “memes” etc, it means a baseline of those builds too for times, stuff falling outside it will then result in buffs.
And the issue with buffs are, they’re rarely handled only on endgame items or build targets - that’s how we got MC powercreep in teh first place 
“give an inch they take an arm”… moving the floor to 36/wave 200 is opening the floodgates.
But it also means there wont be any optional challenge content. It will normalize the new cap(s) as the baseline, removing that “optional” pov and make it de-facto standard, and then we run out of endgame challenge again asap…
Z already said that certain stuff should be considered hard on Ascendant/“not for everyone”, this will move that and eventually trivialize that “bero is tough on juiced ascendant” - and it shouldnt’ reach that state (imo), the new caps should remain its tough potential, and just dialed up from there to maintain that “optional” factor.
^this - which i already said, instead it got nerfed
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SR31 should be buffed instead if the powercreep is that much of an issue.
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Or that…
SR 36-37 is a good challenge. And it would filter many builds.
If SR 30-31 is made tougher it should not make higher shards tougher though.
These read as very contradictory.
If Crate wants it as a setting that’s not for everyone or everything then why would stuff, not being able to cut it in that setting be buffed?
Because certain people asked for it right? Not a specific group mind you…just people.
To which the reply should be something like. We understand the build isn’t cutting it nor should it as somethings will just out perform others. More worms after that.
People want the game hard. Make it hard, real hard…on ascendant and a gated SR level and stop asking for other builds to be in line and accept performance differences. I know I can’t get a chaos TSS to spank SR 36 on HC. And that’s okay.
Oh yes, you can
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My bad warlock. HC.
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it’s not contradicatory if you follow the lines
“not everything is buffed to equal SR 36 standard currently” - because 36 isnt’ the floor
^If you buff everything to sr36 floor as new standard “like was done for 31 builds”, then it causes a cascade of powerboost, which transfer outside SR “like usual”, this means more and more trivializing of ascendant itself (and general MC too because buffs are never relegated only to endgame stuff)
yet people are asking to move the floor… that’s a default application across more than x builds and then “all”/vast majority… - that’s the issue with moving a floor/standard
ie don’t move the floor to 36 since it results in more buffs to create parity
buff SR itself to make it tougher against the new powercreep for the existing standard of 31+
Nah don’t agree sorry. Want hard, make it hard and accept builds are not equal. Period.
yes, but people are literally doing the opposite of that 
they are asking for the baseline to be moved up, not to make it harder…
I would argue that if you build properly for the challenge almost any reasonable build concept can do it. But defenses matter there a lot. Also player skills matter more and more in high Shards.
Only with Inquisitor builds I struggle there and that says a lot about Inquisitor.
aye, and we shouldn’t have current 31 speed metas/dps setups just casually moving to 36 right?
and that will happen if we move the floor to 36, skill and defence will matter less because whatever is the standard is where the parity gets drawn from.
That’s how we got so many buffs already, to make more builds equal on 31
To make that happen on 36 then “by moving the floor standard” = even more buffs necessary for that parity…
With the powercreep of FoA SR30-31 is a joke…
almost like sr should be buffed and not nerfed, - or ascendant modifiers should apply to keep it easily even
Again that’s with the assumption of giving into changes that boost things to that baseline. As always I am advocating for inequity across stuff with the acceptance of that’s how it is.
So given that then okay don’t raise the floor. But also stop making all things equal.