You know there's something seriously wrong with FoI (especially tainted flames) when

[sir_spanksalot]

DoT on BWC spam does not stack <— EDIT: I’m fairly confident about this, because I was discussing this with superfluff and his BWC spam build the other day.

Only DoT from separate sources stack. IIRC, this will include things like multiple storm totems, though I’m not a 100% on this.

[PlagueMirth]

Ah. Corrected. I’m pretty sure I got the idea from somewhere on the forums though. RIP my old build bookmark library.

[sir_spanksalot]

I was under that impression too, so it’s not just you

I suppose DoT is just there as auxillary damage? I’m not sure if you happened upon my barrelsmith purifier, but basically, it spams 26/16 grenado + canister bombs with 20/10 ulzuin chosen.

Sure, the DoT from 6 canister bombs thrown within 2 seconds don’t stack, but it does pretty significant damage when kiting.

The reason why you can get away with that, however, is because CB + grenado (while somewhat spammable), aren’t channelled skills.

You are free from that 0.3s CD penalty. (EDIT: to claritfy…you can’t get CC-locked like you can with FoI. This makes its hit-'n-run nature a lot smoother).

In addition, their DoT damage is high enough for it to be truly significant.

[PlagueMirth]

I saw your spec, and awesome job man. That type of purifer is actually my first delve into bomb-caster archetype characters:

Unimaginative Grenado + Canister Bomb Spam Purifier

As the title states, it didn’t take a lot of imagination to combine two sets that focus on bomb cooldown resets. All it took was the realization that with the addition of Cindertouch full fire–> Lightning conversion was possible. So, everything from thermite mines to the Ulzuin helmet proc add to DPS. The only inefficiency is the phys-> fire modifier for canister bomb (I am unclear on whether conversion is 50-50 or if one of the mutators takes precedent; I suspect the former) EDIT: Elementalist…

With Canister Bomb, it actually feels like you’re stacking the first 1s of the DoT’s duration on each bomb cast because of the delay before the explosion. I hardly noticed the difference when I dropped grenado for just canister bomb though.

[sir_spanksalot]

Ahh! I didn’t realize such a similar build had been done. I’ll credit you in my OP. Sorry 'bout that

With Canister Bomb, it actually feels like you’re stacking the first 1s of the DoT’s duration on each bomb cast because of the delay before the explosion. I hardly noticed the difference when I dropped grenado for just canister bomb though.

Interesting. This is what I’ve noticed about grenado and CB’s.

1. grenado - detonates half a second after landing. This means you can kinda bounce it off walls a little to get it around corners in some situations, or use it as a “landmine” of sorts.

2. CB - detonates immediately after landing, but there’s a slight delay before it detonates again. This means you can hit the same target twice with 1 bomb.

Point being, given the weird mechanics of these skills, I wouldn’t be surprised if what you’re saying is true.

[PlagueMirth]

I’ll credit you in my OP. Sorry 'bout that

Don’t worry about it dude. I’m actually one of the first people to like your spec. Nobody, least of all me, is gonna say you copied my homework

[sir_spanksalot]

Regardless, I’ve edited the guide to credit you

[PlagueMirth]

detonates immediately after landing, but there’s a slight delay before it detonates again. This means you can hit the same target twice with 1 bomb.

The canister bomb fragments also detonate in a staggered sequence, which might limit the number of fragments that shotgun but allow DoT stacking?

Regardless, I’ve edited the guide to credit you

Feels weird with my cobbled together prototype that I didn’t really test thoroughly, but thanks! Thou art a scholar and a gentlefolk, Sir.

Anyhow, back on topic: Why not remove the cooldowns on ranged channeled skills entirely? It would be nice QoL and hardly game-breaking I’d imagine.

[sir_spanksalot]

staggered sequence, which might limit the number of fragments that shotgun but allow DoT stacking?

Good observation. While I’m not sure about DoT stacking, but I would imagine that it’s entirely possible for big targets like kuba and his fat hairy ass to get zapped by multiple CB’s.

Why not remove the cooldowns on ranged channeled skills entirely?

Again, I can’t comment about AAR, which is something definitely worth considering.

However, as far as FoI goes, it’d be a start, but I don’t know if it’d be enough. FoI truly is a comedy of errors. Because the problem is so multivariable, it’s hard to say what will happen if one (or more) of these things are removed.

[PlagueMirth]

So, I just hopped on my mage hunter and did a side by side comparison with AAR for how each skill feels.

• AAR seems to have equal, or near-equal turn speed. I may have spent a few minutes doing pinwheels for science. (I demand the ability to channel FoI and EoR together for a spinning flamethrower pinwheeel of DOOM).

• Interestingly, AAR was able to make smoother turns, presumably due to longer range; both snapped backward periodically, but FoI did so more frequently. Maybe it has to do with mouse-controls (?). Toggling “classic casting” does nothing.

• I play on a laptop with runescape graphics, so take this next one with a grain of salt: FoI range seemed to match up with animation, though particle effects make a descending blur which might be a bit misleading. Also, while doing pinwheels I wasn’t able to reliably make FoI hit a dummy using the animations, which I could while spinning with AAR at the same cast speed.

• The animation for FoI also has slightly visible “segments” on very low graphics, so maybe it is treated as a projectile with it’s own flight speed (more akin to PB spam). If this is the case, speeding up the projectile would make it feel better to use. If this is not the case, and it is a static cone AOE, then I suggest adjusting the visual to match this by making the cone bend less.

[sir_spanksalot]

: FoI range seemed to match up with animation, though particle effects make a descending blur which might be a bit misleading

Maybe its the tainted flames fx which is confusing? Or maybe I’m just blind.
Woiuld you say theres a mismatch in the video I posted above?

speeding up the projectile would make it feel better to use.

I’m not sure if it’s a projectile, because of the following:

• Slow start-up animation (i.e. you don’t deal damage immediately upon casting FoI. There is a slight delay).
• The reverse, however, isn’t true. Damage ends the moment you stop casting FoI even though there’s a little bit of leftover fire still trickling out from where you hand was. (This is based on my observation, I may be wrong here).

[PlagueMirth]

The lightning portion definitely confuses things a bit. For starters, even with the vanilla animation I still don’t really know how wide the angle of the cone is. 15-20 degrees?

I’m not sure if it’s a projectile, because of the following:

sir_spanksalot:

• Slow start-up animation (i.e. you don’t deal damage immediately upon casting FoI. There is a slight delay).
• The reverse, however, isn’t true. Damage ends the moment you stop casting FoI even though there’s a little bit of leftover fire still trickling out from where you hand was. (This is based on my observation, I may be wrong here).

I’m not entirely sure either, which is why I gave solutions for both. Either way this flamethrower needs more propellant.

[sir_spanksalot]

flamethrower needs more propellant.

Fuck that. This flamethrower needs more heat.

Please evolve my charmander to a freaking charizard.

[Nery]

flamethrower needs more propellant.

Fuck that. This flamethrower needs more heat.

Please evolve my charmander to a freaking charizard.

To Charmeleon, don’t get greedy

[sir_spanksalot]

To Charmeleon

Strange. I don’t think that’s how you spell “dragonite”