[1.0.0.6] Markovian/Warborn Commando - Juggernaut - high physical dmg shield build + Crucible farmer

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@jov :

well it was me said that legion shield is better than siegebreaker,

tbh i tested every situation with my current spec till now, just didnt went BoC which i didnt bother cause its easy place for this build anyway…

first of all, build naturally has %8 phys resist, 4 from shoulders 4 from oleron devotion, and min 1800 armor with %100 armor absorb, min %12 13 dmg absorb from bulwark + min 350 hp regen

in this case, highest dmg i have seen from flesh hulks are MAX 1.2 to 2k, well i have 2.2k DA so they have zero chance to crit… and any other hard phys hitters cant even get close to 2k direct hit. as being blademaster i have %15 avoid + %40 fumble from CoS aswell
fabius has 0.7 chance to crit me and his best shot was around 3k, didnt test iron maiden tho

so i see really ZERO reason to use that shield over legion shield… another things to mention is insane chaos and aether resist and %DA makes shield way toooooooooooooooooo good compare to legendary one… siegebreaker puts insane amount of pressure on gearing which we are already suffering so hard, and if i wanna sacrifice 1 slot for resist first candidate will be sheidl slot, since both has +1 soldier skill. dont wanna mention usless 1million pierce resist on it where build swims in pierce res already…

  • 5 max pierce res + %19 phys res can ONLY make difference against mad queen, i am still not %100 sure but her basic attacks seems like phys + pierce mix…

conclusion, if i really want more protection against phys dmg in this setupwhich we dont for sure i would go good rolled rare shield even over siegebreaker :smiley: ya i would sacrifice +1 soldier skill even

i would only use that shield if i was a caster, tho its another topic balance between melee tanky specs and casters are abit disgusting in grim dawn atm…offtopic

@superfluff

tested both reaver claw specs

a) full pierce, well i didnt go so deep on this since i knew it will be not good as full phys setup,
clear speed is ok, slowd down on boss kill time and such
like i said going full pierce without dual blades nodes maxd and dual sword is kinda no ty.

b) %50 pierce + %50 phys

close to being same as warborn setup, but still performs like %85 90ish i would say…

conclusion, yeah full physical is way to go still.

about bmaster VS commando

cant be sure about final thoughts on this but if i would ever go demo over nightblade i would only go demo for 1 skill and its broken flashbangthis shit needs high cooldown or some nerf imo and mighty blast shield

i dont even count temper because its dmg is ok but i wouldnt care less, you can get same from 1 crushing ring + more cunning = done , temper is hugely out of my interest

the real battle for me is,

blast shield + flashbang+ OA from flametouched + vindictive flame aspeed

pburst + Cos + shadow dance + veil of shadow and maybe blade barrier

seems equal to me, maybe nightblade offers more defensive options.

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Edit: you do know that the flat damage from temper gets added to %weapon damage just like Bulwark right? That’s another lvl 12 bulwark right there. It’s nothing to disregard it adds up just like all do, rhowan’s scepter, flat dmg from oleron belt etc.

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@super new axes and belts

axe has huge potential if rolled right, %aspeed belt is already insane tbh.

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well like i said before i am not the mr dps guy in arpgs, as mentioned there TEMPER flat dmg is not something you cant recover from more points in shield training + 1-2 good flat phys dmg rings + %24 cunning from aom…
temper is still godlike, dont get me wrong i am not trashing it, build already has gg phys dmg without temper was my point, at this point i am all after UTILITY that skills bring to table , improve the char… we all posted dps sheets of char 80-100 k dmgs are already broken as fuck :smiley:

meanwhile %50 fumbler from lvl 12 CoS, or -250 DA from blindside, flashbang, shield recovery time etc interests me more than dps at this point

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Its not the same you are forgeting that BM can invest in cunning also with even better effect.

No, you didnt tested every situation.
Trough 2.2k DA 1.7k armor and 8% phys resistances i got one shoted by fabius wielding notched bone hit was bit more than 11.6k dmg.
It was on DW blademaster tho, so I didnt had bulwark but either way stating that best fabius shot is something like 3k is straight up wrong.
Rest that you wrote I dont even want to comment, play the game as it suits you best.

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The axe, i’d really want with a good roll on that.

The attack speed belt doesn’t convince me that much for soldier. The flat damage and extra deadly momentum from oleron belt, crit damage included. What affixes would convince you?

@feelgodstoya For utility I love how blast shield and overguard can complete each other if timed right, or overlap in overwhelming situations.
I’d max Blindside if I could. Flashbang more for searing light for more ridiculous tanking.

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@jov

i have huge respect to you as grim dawn player, and some other guys like ceno, wolf on youtube, nine and such… but dont get me wrong i am not a simple guy who started playing grim dawn 2 months ago :smiley:

the reason i stopped d2 median mod was : i have done all i can 5 years top tier
the reason i stopped poe was: again i have done all can be done…
i am the only guy who killed uber atziri in hc with melee evasion charlolz beyond leauge lolz solo without cheesing, if you ever played poe it could sum up abit.

but main reason i stopped playing poe was; fucked up layer of defences, balance between melee and others, hp and ci

and GD is the game where ALL layer of defences working perfectly,

so 2177 DA blademaster VS fabius !! %0.6 chance be to crit !!

  • 2177DA , %14 dodge chance, %50 fumble for 5 secsrefresh every 3.5 sec, %59 block with 50 block recovery 1600 dmg blockno overguard, %15 dmg absorb from bulwark, 1800 armor with %100 absorb, %8 phys res, 306 hp regen, %82-87 pierce resist… no need to write overguard numbers, and needless to say pburst

i guess i am sitting over +200 fabius kill easily,

i have seen fabius X 7 times with notch axe , +5 energy burn weps, +10 plagubearer weps and BEST dps he got on me was maybe baby max 3.5k and it was prolly those times when i was testing greedy devotions and such.

so sorry but you made wrong assumption, and i am sorry to prove you wrong. no fabius cant critfor sake of math he can or do +4k dps to these kind of chars… at least not this grim dawn universe where layer of defences are working. if prowess procs from badge of mastery he has %0 chance to crit anyway… he barely has %90 chance to hit without fumble…

and here is fabius run video, where he got 1 insane mace…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29CD5u9GdzM

max dps he output is , 2.6k in the video with gg mace roll…

let say he rolls with notch axe and 1 more gg weapon, best shot he can do is prolly 3.5 4k… and i never see close to 4k numbers.

devotion i was using that timewas testing shield maiden still dont know worth it or not, and even testing 1 different ring with diff stats, my avarage kill time is shorter than this for sure.

http://grimcalc.com/build/1007-KoZwmY

so whatever, ill reduce the amount of post in this topic, since its all about superfluff GG guide and his commando… its going offtopic kinda :smiley:

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Dude simple player or uber genius idc, you dint proved anything cuz you are making assumptions and Im telling you what happened. There is huge difference in that and Im sorry if you cant see it.
Also browse around forums and you will find post from guys with S&B setups being hit by good old fabi for 15-20k iirc.

P.S. With 2180 DA your sheet will tell you that he has 0% chance to crit, but like MQ he has DA shred so you are not absolutely uncritable.

Have fun playing.

To OP: srry for offtopic :undecided:

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making assumptions ?

+200 kills is not an assumptionwith all possible ridic weps, also me or you have no reason to lie about this topic so

we talk about 2 diff specs, 2 diff chars, 2diff conditions…
and i am talking what i experienced in +200 runs, if thats not enough nothing more to say.
if i had good net connection i would stream fabius run whole days to prove this, since these kind of situations makes me a bit triggered :smiley:

if he has DA shred, nightblade has enemy OA shred, and i didnt even bother spamming gaze of beronath once vs fabius its still option there, even olerons might -%20 enemy dmg reduction and suchdont know works on bosses

good old fabyo is not our topic here, i have heard much about old fabyo and loxmere already… but meanwhile its past.

Mad queen is another topic, i am still not %100 sure of her attacks and abilities, my highest dmg taken was from her till now… 6250… and if i learn more i could reduce incoming dmg by tweaking around anyway, or pump more dmg to reduce the length of fight… these kind of things needs so much testing

i do admire and respect you a lot, my last post about this conversation :wink:

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Sry but you are.
Just check this post and we can put this to a rest. 19k something fabius shot on S&B WB in Markovian :wink:

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Upto level 30 now and this build is great fun, I’m wearing guardsman gear and have some gavel 1h and it’s mowing through monsters, occasionally I have to back off but overall the kill speed is great

I should be looking for +physical dmg right ? About to start putting points into Menhir’s bulwark by the look of the skill tool tiip it should boost my defence even further?

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When you will start to lvl menhir’s you will feel godly again. It gives flat physical damage again taht is added to your % weapon damage so more damage and more life steal. It gives loads of flat regen which coupled with Overguard % regen gives a huge boost to it and last but not least % damage absorb which will make you much tankier.

Yes + phys dmg but don’t be afrad to sacrifice some %damage from gear for resists. You need resists more.

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Do you use the same setup for the crucible? I am having trouble on challenger only made it to 135. I don’t have the relic or helm yet but have all other pieces.

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On what set don’t you have the helm? Maybe get your DA higher. MArkovian can have 3x survivor’s ingenuity. You shouldn’t feel any pressure until wave 146 onwards (unless you get cocky with Anasteria :stuck_out_tongue: time Blast shield and Overguard with her, go in and out a bit on her second spawn). If you still have problems play a bit with collosal grasp for Extra DA ti’ll you get the hang of it.

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Sorry i have the Markovian set just don’t have the helm yet. I have juggernaut relic because i don’t have blueprint for the other yet. Also my dreeg pants arent stonehide no luck yet farming them so far so my poison res is low.

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so I take it it’s Anasteria 2nd spawn giving you trouble?

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Yes. I changed gloves and am going to try what you said about her.

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The blast shield and overguard statement I can vouch for. Basically is what make my commando build survive the Gladiator with extra spawn. though I have easier time as dot build :stuck_out_tongue:

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What Relic are you using? I must have missed it.

I’m looking at crafting a Juggernaut…is that a bad idea?

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Is this build playable as a first ? Or really gear dependant ? Thx