[1.0.6.0] Faceroll aether Battlemage & Death Knight (no MI, s&b, cdr, 25min gladiator)

When new cruci comes ur gonna worship it:) all of us will

Have you been enjoying my new Halls of Infinite Agony so far, puny mortal?

Even now i dunno why anyone would not pick Nullification and use it. This spell saved my HC ass more times that MoD :smiley:

Yes, you are doing it wrong. Rashalga is beatable with any strong build. Go to my compilation thread and read crucible guide. In short: you fight with her only when she doesn’t have her red aura on. As soon as she glows red you run away. Red aura amplifies her damage like 10 times, no one can facetank it.
So, just a bit of kiting and she will perish. Even glass cannons can do that and DK is a tank.

If you already have DK then it’s indeed no need to go for battlemage - they are very similar in gameplay. Both are equally strong with bis gear. If you want something new, you can look for it in my compilation thread (link in my signature).

Yes - I went back with the DK and figured it out. The key problem is I was trying to not have to drop the multiplier. It just seems to take forever to joust in and out and overcome her healing mechanic while kiting.

I’ll probably go through and level the battlemage version - seems to be a lot more DPS. The DK (at least the build I am using) is super tanky but doesn’t appear to have the DPS potential yours does.

Challenge accepted!

I know it is great, alright! But battlemage already has overguard and mirror. And your spellbinder has mirror and mark of torment.

You are welcome to do so, but you can also make DK with exactly the same gear and exactly the same devotions and it will have roughly the same damage. Leveling two similar characters is really boring. I am not stating that my battlemage is better than DK, I’m stating it is just as good.

Fun is subjective. Nullification, however, is objectively good. By ignoring one of the best debuffing skills in the game you are deliberately gimping your own build for quite a stupid reason.

You seem confused. Strong is a broad term, used to describe many possibilities. The power of retaliation builds does not come from their damage output - it comes from tremendous tankiness. It is THE only build, which can take on a fevered Ravager. The only build, which can safely facetank all the content in the game, without breaking a sweat. This is it’s strength.
It doesn’t matter if it takes 5 minutes to kill Valdaran if he can’t damage me. At all. Also, great for coop, when you take all attention to yourself, while your comrades shred the enemy.
And yes, Crucible, even with RET is viable, albeit… unique. I simply put my character on AFK mode, while doing stuff. It works.

Ah yes, I forgot that people are all about MUH CRUCIBLE these days. The damage done to the build section is probably permanent at this point. Oh well.
In case you also forgot - we were talking about Rashalga specifically, not Crucible in general. I repeat - RET can definitely facetank her without problems.

Prudence does not equal cowardice. Big Z is always watching, so it’s no surprise some people just keep builds to themselves. It’s not hard to believe. Doesn’t matter anyway, since this game will probably never achieve true balance.

Very impressive build indeed though I doubt I will have the time to enjoy it since everyone screams for nerfs…

Dont touch my Krieg set!

I went a different route (class choice) with the same set:
http://www.grimtools.com/calc/a2d7Az8N

It also works pretty good but not anywhere near this…

U have two points to remove from overcapped Reckless power

Since i don’t have a battlemage or a deathknight to test. I wonder if this setup would work with Octavius set and Edge of Sanity and using forcewave as main attack.

Haven’t done aether FW in expac but this is my 2c

Octavius Set is good for pure physical FW.
If you want Aether FW that badly then use Temporal Arcblade (although you’d lack conversion so I suppose Mythical Wrathmourne should be better, not sure)
Pair it with Justicar Set and use Magelord Rings for Fire->Aether conversion

Edge of Sanity’s intention is probably to go Aether Melee/Caster and use Aether FW as a nuke. Imo they should add a second skill mod to it for 100% Pierce->Aether conversion to make it better. It isn’t meant for spam wave

This , I farmed the Kriegs set because I knew where to get it , I’ll do that everytime , with 1400 hours under my belt and very few sets completed , this is a damn Godsend .

Please introduce more sets like this .

From what I’ve seen so far from Saf’s posts in other threads he respects off beaten builds the most. So generic builds regardless of what content they destroy don’t impress him. It’s kinda similar to how non-Crucible builds don’t impress you at all.
So I am 75% sure Saf’s comment didn’t insinuate whatever you just said. He is indeed interested in creativity

I can understand you using number of views to judge a build’s popularity but it is very easily possible to miss out on builds this way. For example, I have a Krieg Battlemage posted, in fact I have had an Aether Blitz Mage posted since vanilla( before Krieg set ;)). I won’t comment on its strength in the crucible since I don’t test anything there but I would say it’s pretty comfortable in MC. There’s also other examples like THT’s builds who holds the records for the shortest build guides on the forums but his builds are pretty good for Glad Crucible. You might have missed out on his threads as well due to low views on his threads. He’s somewhat obsessed with Vitality damage type and Ravenous Earth skill. Anything by him uses those two things :rolleyes:. Then there’s Sobertooth who also did Crucible builds in vanilla days. These are some examples off the top of my head

If you want some recommendations for your other thread then I’d recommend (off the top of my head) trying out -
Infernal Tremors Pyromancer by Sobertooth
Physical Meteors Witchblade by Fluff
Markovian Warborn Commando by Fluff
Pierce Cadence BM by JoV
DEE Conjurer by JoV
And pretty much anything by Drizzto since he literally only posted crucible builds in vanilla (where the fuck is he these days?)
I am not sure about the number of views on the threads I recommended but you might have missed out on them since they weren’t updated for AoM.

Btw, I replied this late cause all the crucible comments buried this comment deep. I was browsing the thread for any residual crucible related comments when I noticed this

Good job with the cleanup Eis

I can swear I had a comment here with some answers to someone. And now it’s gone. Strange.

I have 5 (!!!) THT’s builds in my thread
Sobertooth - ok, I’ll check
Physical Meteors Witchblade by Fluff - will check
Markovian Warborn Commando by Fluff - it’s doubleblitz commando possibly? alredy have that
Pierce Cadence BM by JoV - I alredy have your own pirce BM
DEE Conjurer by JoV - I have his DEE witch hunter, seems similar
And pretty much anything by Drizzto - I respect Drizzto a lot, I even updated his DEE witchblade for AoM myself, but it seems to me that most of his builds are heavily outdated. Hope he’ll come and refute this opinion or makes some new great stuff.

Thank you for recommendations!
Eis - is this guy some kind of moderator who deleted my comment?

Good that THT’s work is getting attention
Markovian and Warborn Commando is nothing like double blitz
Pierce Cadence BM by JoV is DW and was meta before Blademaster nerfs
DEE Conjurer isn’t similar to DEE WH, in fact DEE conjurer by him is the most innovative conjurer on the forums along with Fluff’s Double Bolter (check that as well)
I haven’t played them but I think Drizzto’s Bleed Warder should still work in crucible then only one I have my doubts is the Shadow Strike BM since SS got nerfed after that build in response to the Cold Shadow Strike meta. You should try the Bleed Warder

Eis is a mod who responded to my report of moving comments to a separate thread.
http://www.grimdawn.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66095

Here you go^. Since you seem to be having fun, that’s the thread with all the comments

i prefer Mythical Mark of Anathema on my battlemage :slight_smile:

I ask you not to make any reports again about anything in my threads. I was pretty happy with that discussion and now it is moved to a separate thread which no one cares about. That is not ok. Please.

Sure, it’s a good alternative.

i’m having trouble understanding how your devotions have very little aether damage and you have hungering void (i’m not finding your dmg conversion how does hungering void help? purely for AS and crit%?) …

Yes, purely AS and crit damage. And that’s a considerable dps boost with no downsides. Also Dying God by itself gives a lot of OA (which means crit chance), as well as Spear of the heavens. This is an extremely offensive devotion choice and it’s 100% worth it because we have the most tanky mastery combination in the game and have a shield.

i’ve been doing something similar but Bulwark as my my exclusive and the 40% absorb is pretty funny (even nerfs aether ground). i do want to try this version though, would definitely clear gladiator faster (mine can do it but slower), and all of my devotions are about shield, hp or aether dmg. sitting at 2100% aether dmg with 2900 OA 2700 DA 13.5k hp, etc.

my dps is much lower though, it’s only about 34k on paper before procs.

The core devotion is Aeon’s Hourglass. Its proc will allow to use Blitz, Callidor and Krieg’s Wrath a lot more resulting in a significant dps boost. And you can’t pick it together with defensive devotions efficiently, you won’t have enough devotion points.
Building defensive for a battlemage has no reason at all - why be defensive and spend time tanking stuff when you can just kill everything twice as fast and still be nearly immortal? Optimization :slight_smile: