[1.0.6.1] Mekeritrig, the Tormentor - 2H Cold Savagery Trickster, Gladiator farmer (9") + Ravager

[malawiglenn]

It occurs to me now that I may have been understanding these fumble skills wrong. So it’s not that it applies a debuff that gives a X% chance of target fumbling attacks for 5 seconds, but rather that it has a X% chance of applying the debuff which will cause the target to fumble attacks for 5 seconds?

Hmm yeah that is true.

My calculation was done under the assumption “x% chance to cast y” and the reason is because of the quote:

30% chance to cast fumble? To guarantee 100% fumble I need to cast RoS three times in a row, takes 10 seconds. No nemesis lives that long

I was under the impression that vere thought that because something has 1/3 chance to occur, one needs 3 trials in order to be guaranteed. Such statement is false. Take a coin for instance, if you flip it two times - are you guaranteed to get at least one heads? No.

So again, my calculation probably not took Fumble mechanics into consideration.

If Circle of slaughter always casts Fumble, with the given x% chance to miss melee attacks under 5 sec duration. Then the calculation I did makes no sense And neither do vere’s statement that I quoted.

[thejabrixone]

No that is not how chance works.
You can never be 100% certain.

Use Binomial formula for Confidence level (CL) with p = 0.3

CL(at least one cast of fumble in x casts) = 100-100*(1-p)^x

x = 1 gives of course 30%
x = 2 gives 51%
x = 3 gives 65.7%
x = 4 gives 76%
x = 5 gives 83%
x = 6 gives 88%
and so on

I love you glenn <3

[malawiglenn]

I love you glenn <3

Read post above, I might be wrong on how that actual CoS debuff works

The calculation was just to show that if something has say 1/3 chance to occur you are not guaranteed for it to occur at least once even if you do 3, or more, trials.

[veretragna]

No that is not how chance works.
You can never be 100% certain.

Use Binomial formula for Confidence level (CL) with p = 0.3

CL(at least one cast of fumble in x casts) = 100-100*(1-p)^x

x = 1 gives of course 30%
x = 2 gives 51%
x = 3 gives 65.7%
x = 4 gives 76%
x = 5 gives 83%
x = 6 gives 88%
and so on

Great build! Looks very cool to play!

I had an idea of making a similar one back in the days but I had no thought of using neither those shoulders, blue alkamos rings or those boots. Very inspirational!

TY! Hope you’ll enjoy this build, I’m going to make it even better.
I didn’t want to pust some advanced maths there, just an approximation for easier understanding why I do certain things. However, I was wrong anyway

It occurs to me now that I may have been understanding these fumble skills wrong. So it’s not that it applies a debuff that gives a X% chance of target fumbling attacks for 5 seconds, but rather that it has a X% chance of applying the debuff which will cause the target to fumble attacks for 5 seconds?

My initial statement was incorrect; fumble is applied instantly and grants enemy 35% (or how much is written on CoS) chance to miss.

[malawiglenn]

TY! Hope you’ll enjoy this build, I’m going to make it even better.
I didn’t want to pust some advanced maths there, just an approximation for easier understanding why I do certain things. However, I was wrong anyway

My initial statement was incorrect; fumble is applied instantly and grants enemy 35% (or how much is written on CoS) chance to miss.

Ah nice, its one of my fav 2H builds

Ok, the emphasis on the x% chance is the actual chance to miss melee attack. Gottcha!

[adoomgod]

Update???

[veretragna]

Update???

Here you go:
https://www.grimtools.com/calc/mN44rmmN
I tested it in 1.1.1.x patches. Rocks in crucible but barely does SR 65

[adoomgod]

Here you go:
https://www.grimtools.com/calc/mN44rmmN
I tested it in 1.1.1.x patches. Rocks in crucible but barely does SR 65

Thanks, what do you feel is making it struggle in SR?

[veretragna]

Thanks, what do you feel is making it struggle in SR?

1. Lack of flat absorption; 2) OA and DA are huge PITA to acquire with Cold Trickster. I took as much DA as I could but it’s not enough even with OA shred. This build constantly gets critted on high shards, I saw 18k crit from Aleks meteor.
   There are more OA/DA options available, but they all cost damage, I don’t like such tradeoffs.
   Edit: I tried this build with Silver Sentinel shoulders too, its sheet DPS is overwhelming (~206k), but it becomes glassy even in Crucible, so I took titans back.

[TristanXII]

Hey guys, this is my take on a 2H Cold Savagery Trickster, if anyone want to try:
https://www.grimtools.com/calc/q2mlEm5N

I did not know Mekeritrig before, someone pointed me out in Reddit. I want to see what my build could do though, so far I only theorycrafted it (Alkamo’s Rings, Spellbreaker waistguard and a lvl 100 trickster are some things I don’t have right now)

[malawiglenn]

why seal of resonance?
no slow resist = death

[TristanXII]

Good question. I thought seal gave slow resistance along it’s other resistances.
It was more for it’s resistances + a little bit of elemental damage. I do not know what could be better, Seal of Blades for the lifesteal? Seal of Might for a little more Phys Resist?

Also, I found out a major mistake, I’m missing the amulet component. It will probably be Seal of Annihilation though.

I’ll try to fix the slow resistance, just not sure how exactly, but I’ll find out.

[malawiglenn]

why not just a basic coldstone for damage?
Slow res: Mythical Final March, Sailors compass instead of Eel (skip behemot)

[TristanXII]

The coldstone damage bonus is negligible if you compare to the usefulness of the resists the other components give IMHO (less than 1k more in weapon damage)

https://www.grimtools.com/calc/YVWldbyZ made some changes and changed one augment (the amulet one) to give 15% more slow resistance. Now with buffs (Pneumatic Burst, I think) I have 43% almost always. Is capping slow resist needed?

Edit: Withouth Behemot. https://www.grimtools.com/calc/w26R7a02 But I really like Behemot. =(

[Vector]

@OP: Do you plan on updating this build? Thanks.

[Drakhan]

this is brilliant, I can update this if you want

[smmu]

Update pliz.