[1.1.2.5]Fire Retal Builds-Warlord(Boring) & Ranged Paladin(Interesting)

Hi,folks!:wink:
Today I would bring you two fire retal builds.They are different,one is melee,the other is ranged,but they both use the same theory in fire retaliation.Now let’s begin.

Fire Retal Warlord

Grimtool Link:
https://www.grimtools.com/calc/mN4aly02
Stats in GT:


There’s a 90% probability that your first impression of this IMG is :wtf,isn’t it a physical retal warlord:furious:?
Yes,besides the weapon & devotions,they are almost the same.
But through this weapon SoulBlade,all physical damage(including retaliation physical damage) has been 100% converted to fire damage.

game play videos
Shattered Realms Shard 98:
https://youtu.be/Jde2RmjgEmE
Fighting Callagadra:
https://youtu.be/DAiwt9LlJZU

Pros:
• High sheet Damage: average 150k & peak 240k
• 41 % Physical Resistance
• 2980 OA,3400 DA & 4600 Armor
• 6800 Damage Blocked,86% Block Chance & 100% Block Recover at all buffs
• Point Damage Absorption by:Stoneguard Ward,Overguard,Ascension,Phoenix Fire,Stone Form
IMG of peak Damage

• Could easily beat Kuba:p(I was suffered for Kuba for a long time when I played Cold Infiltrator.But I killed Kuba in SR 99 by this build.)

Cons:
• Boring!This build has got only one attack skill which is Righteous Fervor.No AEO skills!
• Not as good as the Physical Retal Warlord.I found it really hard when I fought Calla.Physical Retal Warlord could easily kill Calla,but I have to take
all kinds of potions & teleport to keep surviving.
• Be afraid of Kaisan in SR 90+.I failed to beat him one on one in SR100.


Ranged Fire Retal Paladin

Grimtools Link
(the initial version):
https://www.grimtools.com/calc/Q2zAyq9N
(a better version which I found in SR):
https://www.grimtools.com/calc/nZo4BplN

Stats in GT:

game play videos
Gladiator Crucible 150~170 naked run:
(Pay attention to the time I spent in killing Bosses & the critical damage numbers,most of which are over 100k)
https://youtu.be/-UdlQ4LntNg
Shattered Realms Shard 75~76 Boss phase:
https://youtu.be/YW4mG4OPjSY
Shattered Realms Shard 85:
(Met Kuba,Hinass,Kaisan & Aleksander,failed to finish in time.And the critical damage I hit Kuba reached 260K while standing in its bloody pool)
https://youtu.be/hbclTFyE30I

Pros:
• A lot of item skill bonus in Righteous Fervor,high sheet Damage: average 140k & peak 240k
• Effective fire RR
• 3400 DA & 3600 Armor

Cons:
• Because of its poor attack speed,two-hand ranged classes usually don’t perform very well in tough conflicts.I guess it can’t pass the deep level SR(85+),and I will try it later.
• Low attack speed & small OA

This build may be not as strong as the retal warlord,but it’s very interesting.
I do recommend you to play this build!It’s indeed a boss slayer in Gladiator Crucible.


For the lack of skill points,I use Snapshoting(permanent pet stats) in these two builds to get the max rank Celestial Presence.
(Bug,but I can’t stop using it,and I think Create will fix it some day.)
Here’s how it works:
https://www.grimtools.com/calc/d2jly8jZ
If you don’t like it,you can change the skills in you way


I want to show you how the retaliation physical damage is 100% converted to fire damage.
Below is the third page of character window,retaliation damages which contain physical & fire .

And this’s the second page of character window,damage per hit in Righteous Fervor.You can see that there’s no physical damage at all.


Creeping ring is very good because it +3 to retributions.You don’t need to farm a twin one as mine,the more resistance it supplies,the better.
Or you can use Judicator’s Seals rings to replace.

So above are the whole things about the fire retal builds.I do hope you will have fun with them.
Looking forward to your remarks :p.

My impression of damage conversion of retal damage was that it only works for global conversion, and not skill specific conversion (like the one you have on soulblade)? Or am I missing something - like did this chance in recent patch(es) ?

Interesting I was playing with ranged Paladin with that weapon.I will see whether or not will post mine,but your choice of items is most intriguing.

No,you are opposite wrong.
Retal damage couldn’t be converted by global conversion,but only could be converted by specific skill .
So the conversion in items doesn’t work for the retal damage.I will show it by IMG in my thread later.

Post yours please!
I’m not satisfied with my build’s low attack speed & poor OA.I spend too much in armor & defense(skill points & devotions),cause there’s a lot of miss in the fighting.
I think yours is more aggressive:D.

Weird, because my Oppressor uses global acid -> physical and I somehow gain 50k additional physical retaliation damage.

Sorry,I am wrong:cry:
I tested it just now. Retal damage could be converted by global conversion,but it also be converted by specific skill conversion,look at the IMG in my thread.
Sorry for my fault.

Sorry,I am wrong:cry:
I tested it just now. Retal damage could be converted by global conversion,but it also be converted by specific skill conversion,look at the IMG in my thread.
Sorry for my fault.

Probably tomorrow,but idk,I think yours is better.

Anyway mine is totally different.I have like 10 times less retaliation,but 180% AS and is actually hybrid.RF have low damage,so I use retaliation added to attack to increase it.But defensively and core stats of mine are bad.

hey man great build for deep sr again huh?:smiley: im wondering you said your physical warlord can beat cadalla with ease without potions can you provide a gt link for that please?

I tried to invest in Magi/Ulzuin. But it didn’t work,fire modifier is less than 13 times and it can’t even survive in the Gladiator Crucible.So I have to spend points & devotions to improve armor & DA.
So I am looking forward to yours.

Sorry,it’s not my build so I can’t post it to you.
But here is a Physical Retal Stoneguard Warlord build posted by @Superfluff .
Check it:
https://www.grimdawn.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83001
2:20 Calla killing, really cool build.

Hi,

For the retal warlord, what shield could be the best altrenative? Myth Final Stop?

For a physical retal warlord:
https://www.grimtools.com/db/items/9450
or
https://www.grimtools.com/db/items/2712

For a acid retal:
https://www.grimtools.com/db/items/12727
or
https://www.grimtools.com/db/items/12725

For this fire guy:
https://www.grimtools.com/db/items/8850
or
https://www.grimtools.com/db/items/9435

Interesting. Was having a hard time converting my old ranged retal paladin (that was a gun+board paladin) after the patch due to how a lot of retals are now mixed fire/physical. Didnt realize 100% fire conversion works that way. Basically switched the weapon/devotion some skills and it worked pretty decently. I adjusted some stuff in the build though:

-Level 7 Storm spread for 8 bullets instead of 6.
-Jaxxons instead of the 2 rings.

Main reason is that RDATA on righteous fervor somehow doesnt scale with %WD for wps. Meaning that every single bullet hits for around 40%RDATA. So u get around something like 8 X 25k->150k to something absurd like 8 x 50K -> 400k a shot from storm spread or jaxxon shot proc if u manage to shotgun some boss. Statwise Jaxxons give pretty decent OA (but loses out obviously to the “of attack” suffix) and some DA. main problem is the lack of resists/stun resist which would hurt in SR. There’s probably ways around it but i hate SR so much that i’m not going to touch it past the standard quest requirements. Maybe someone can test it out.

Is this build still viable after the nerfs? Big damage loss?

Nice!Maybe your adjustment is a good way to strengthen this build.:smiley:
This is my first ranged build(I always play melee classes),so I know little about the ranged skill(I thought it should be the same as nightblade’s,my bad).
I thought of Jaxxon’s Lucky Bullet before posting this thread,it’s in my short list. Does it double the chance of its grant skill while I wearing two?

I made it in the newest version game-1.1.2.5.
Fire retal is buffed instead of being nerf in 1.1.2.0.
Physical retal is the unlucky guy who’s nerf for its impressed performance.

I was not entirely happy with mine,so decide not to post it separately.If you want you can put it as alternative in OP.Build have much higher stats than GT.


with Deadly Aim and perma buffs

GT https://www.grimtools.com/calc/4NOkq6XN

Video from completed SR 75 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1nYAHmJ1-M&feature=youtu.be

Nery,thank you for your sharing :slight_smile: !
I considered the burning shadow medal before,it’s really hard to make a decision among so many good medals.
And you don’t use the Jaxxon’s Lucky Bullet in your build either.Compared with the creeping ring,do you think it’s a better stuff for this build ?