1.1.4.2 State of Venomblade

[Nery]

I should try my Witch Hunter in SR, but low health, DA and barely capped resistances aren’t giving me much confidence in success.

[Norzan]

Chaos->Acid conversion should be global as it was shown in devs stream earlier.

I’m all for Vileblade buffs but this was specifically made to avoid Dervish getting insane amounts of flat damage. And also make Witch Hunter/Sentinel actual choices instead of just defaulting to Dervish.

[Dmt]

Sentinels go for Path of the Three unfortunately as soon as they need to invest to full bar for RR in OK tree

[Stupid_Dragon]

Sentinels go for Path of the Three unfortunately as soon as they need to invest to full bar for RR in OK tree

But there’s very little to gain from Path of the Three for Vileblade Sentinel. I would had cut something else but got Possession for that sweet absorbtion and phys resist.

[Dmt]

Sent has almost the same flat damage with Path of the Three and Possession. The deal is that there is a ton of flat already, so % damage scales supergood

[ya1]

Good thread. Dmt’s VBs were always the tankiest. So, if she complains, it means the situation must really be tragic.

My two cents: I’ve been making max dmg VBs since FG release including the ones that beat all-time records. My newest no-green VB update cannot clear crucible 3+1 without pharma despite being the tankiest of all the setups I made. Still pretty fast, though, but what does it matter if it’s not really playable with any serious consistency.

So, dervish is dead. Witch Hunter is ok thx to added defense but itemization for non-oathkeepers is tragedy. Sentinel will never be good.

Sentinel’s side is heavily unsupported. Chaos->Acid conversion should be global as it was shown in devs stream earlier. Also reduce ABB mods to 15% on both hands, BUT add good mods for Righteous Fervor (15% WD as a full set bonus).

15% wpn dmg to an autoattack replacer is too much. Taking away anything from ABB is death sentence to witch hunters. Sentinel will never be good. It’s a nightblade set.

[Norzan]

It doesn’t really. The conversion in Possession will convert the chaos in Witchfire and Possession itself and all other flat chaos sources like Abomination proc. Plus Possession has % acid damage, so really the only thing Path has over Possession here is CDR.

[Superfluff]

So, dervish is dead.

is this not a bit darmatic?

You make me want to retry this set

[afanasenkov26]

I should try my Witch Hunter in SR, but low health, DA and barely capped resistances aren’t giving me much confidence in success.

Actually, no need - I’ve tried mine (you know, our setup are petty similar) and imo, the best it can do are SR65-66.

[banana_peel]

I have two 2h builds around chest+helm and they are ok so my money is on the problem is in weapons and 3, 4 piece bonuses

[powbam]

Actually, no need - I’ve tried mine (you know, our setup are petty similar) and imo, the best it can do are SR65-66.

I absolutely LOVE how you make that sound like a “bad thing”. You people fuck me up with that sometimes.

Endgame balancing problem

A build that can clear Glad Crucible 150 (the loot at 170 is only marginally better) and/or SR60 is absolutely viable for endgame and gearing up. In terms of cutting edge clear times, a glad 170 clear in the 6:00 to 7:30 range in the hands of a skilled player is very reasonable. Anything below 10 minutes for an average player is great. Anything outside of that needs to be looked at. That will vary of course with what sort of build it is (a very safe build should not be clearing as fast as a gl…

Yup. Must be a #deadbuild

[sir_spanksalot]

@powbam - As much truth as there is in that statement, I think it’s moreso a reflection of how far VB dervish has fallen from its lofty heights.

It’s kinda like having a billion dollars, and losing 999 million to some unfortunate event.

You’re still rich af, but still…

The salt is reel

[powbam]

It’s kinda like having a billion dollars, and losing 999 million to some unfortunate event.

You’re still rich af, but still…

The salt is reel

Here’s something for all you rich folk to lick on…

[sir_spanksalot]

mate, i’m poor af. I get by on 6 bucks a day

[powbam]

But hey… you’re rich in #deadbuilds. I can’t wait to see what else gets killed off in 1.5 for everyone.

I’m getting everything prepared for everyone. It’s gunna be lit!

[Dmt]

I absolutely LOVE how you make that sound like a “bad thing”

Make infinite shards and waystones for SR 75+
Nerf build that it can’t go further than 65?

[powbam]

Make infinite shards and waystones for SR 75+
Nerf build that it can’t go further than 65?

Guess it’s time for the buddy system then. Just because he’s letting everyone more easily go past it doesn’t mean he intends to balance builds to be able to. He’s made it quite clear that a build doing shards 60-65 is doing just fine.

[Dmt]

He’s made it quite clear that a build doing shards 60-65 is doing just fine.

Venom was a proper acid top tier build after first wave of OK nerfs and before the wave of NB, OK and Venom nerfs.
Or is it a nonsense that some acid build (without SR set) can do 75 SR consistently?

[powbam]

Or is it a nonsense that some acid build (without SR set) can do 75 SR consistently?

Ask Zantai. Only he knows. Maybe he has plans for such builds… maybe he doesn’t. Guess we’ll find out.

[ya1]

is this not a bit darmatic?

Actually, it’s not. Dmt made setups that afaik beat the SR record. I made the fastest crucible setups. Give us some cred. We agree on this so there must some truth to what we’re saying.

Check out my thread Dreeg's Acid Fisting - Venomblade Dervish - Caster/Melee Hybrid High Dmg Setups [1.1.1.1 - 1.1.4.2] Dmg is superb. Def stats are real good except phys res and stun res. It’s the most solid no-green VB I made with real good dmg despite all the nerfs. But I honestly couldn’t clear crucible without a Courageous Tincture. So, imo, dead build… Dervishes can’t handle the debuffs and one-shots anymore without serious phys res. No Censure/Seal + no Maiven + no Military Training/Field Command + no Mog’s Pact + no AofG/Possession = wrong season.

A good solution to many nightblade problems vs. current environment might be changing the phys res scaling on dual blades so that it scales 1% per point not to 5% but to 10-12%.

As for VB, the 6% phys res to Possession should be global.

a build doing shards 60-65 is doing just fine.

As long as there are builds that do SR90 and have almost the same clearing power as the “doing just fine” build, “doing just fine” doesn’t mean much. If a build can’t do 170 without pharma anymore, it’s dead (especially when it used to be one of the best - imo THE best - builds in the category). These standards are based on what the game offers. Not on what someone says they should be.