[1.1.5.1] YUHU the acid retal warlord - (HC, SR 80 with full aggro, ~7:45 Naked Cr with extra spawns, 3 min Ravager of the mind kill)

その日本のWBはいい考えですよ。でも。。。。full setを使うのことよりよいかな?

This is as far as my japanese goes :rofl:

But yes, I agree that focusing on raw damage over CDR works very well too.

However, I chose to make this build the way I did to introduce the concept of “CDR-based defence” to the HC world.

It was really more of a theory-crafting challenge. I just enjoy making weird builds more than I enjoy making “powerful” builds.

The best is when the 2 come together. :stuck_out_tongue:

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It is very good that the width of the build is wide. I like both. :wink:

For retal builds, stacking %retal damage is almost always better than flat retal damage, or procs.

There are 2 reasons for this:

  1. Retal devotions and retal items tend to give flat damage in the hundreds (sometimes even thousands). E.g.:Assuming I have 10,000 flat retal damage, a 50% retal damage increase = 5000 more damage.

  2. Unlike other damage types, %retal damage is almost always +X% all retaliation damage. This means that all the retal damage you have is increased tremendously because of reason #1.

So you honestly don’t need to focus on conversion as long as you can stack enough RR for your different damage types.

E.g. An acid/vit sentinel using retaliation-righteous-fervor should theoratically do very well because righteous fervor’s transmutor converts 100% phys damage to acid, and 100% fire damage to vitality.

So all procs from things like messenger of war, or shieldwall will be converted to a damage type both masteries have RR to. Furthermore, the nature of “+X% to all retal damage” means that both damage type will be equally supported by items/devotions.

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Thank you for the explanation. :+1::+1::+1:
I may need to insist on this glove proc buff.lol

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Procs are very good if/when you can stack multiple sources of the same proc.

Some examples are - The hammers from anvil, acid pools from affliction, and the new ring of sethris.

Take ring of sethris for example…it lasts for 5s, and has a 1.5s cooldown.

Which means I can effectively deal an additional 12% of my total retal damage every second, which is twice the value of fewmet glove’s proc

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Yeah, easy to understand. Thank you again. :wink:

So… basically a binder-warlord? Stacking cdr/Aeon/active defense like temp buffs?

That’s actually not a bad analogy!

Though I struggled with this concept more because shield mechanics isn’t as straightforward as something like mirror/mot combo.


@RektbyProtoss, @Contragor :

Copy/pasta from the YT description:

I understand that 4x runs is too small a sample size to demonstrate HC viability.

Thus, to better illustrate my point, I changed up the devotions completely for a more offensive set-up: Shield wall and phoenix were dropped for anvil and affliction.

Clear speed was ~30s faster.

IMO, the offensive boost is not at all worth the rock-solid stability of the original build.

I think this video also goes a long way in showing the extent to which 1.1.5.1 has made affliction redundant.

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Looks really interesting buddy, going to convert one of my old warlords to try this one for sure!

Thanks for posting :slight_smile:

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Finally posted!
This is my most favorite build of yours, spanks! I really like that you makes counter strike shine so much.

I might explore counter strike build also for the future, because of this.

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This means a HUGE amount coming from you jabby! <3

But I gotta give credit where credit’s due - @superfluff was the first visionary to explore CS with the blood knight.

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forgot to congratulate you on this one too. So congrats :smiley:

Conter Strike is without a doubt one of the best skills for retal. Better than my beloved Heart of wrath, but hey we can have both :smiley:

This Mi shield is pretty amazing. It has also become my main on phys retal instead of Zolhan or Last stand. It’s just too good and you get phys res to boot too.

Edit: might retry a lightning CS retal now since i haven’t tried that set since vanilla. I don’t think it’s as strong though

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Yeah, CS is really amazing for sure. As for HoW, I think it’s a fantastic devotion proccer, but is the damage that great for retal?

Well a 10 -14% rata in 4-5 m around you can’t hurt right?

It’s worth at least 1 pt for retal. Sadly fire retal is almost irrelevant and you need to have multiple types of retal damage on a “fire” build to have it work, or just convert it. So not quite fire retal.

Burn retal is nothing. And items like blazing seal epic ring lost the 1K burn retal it had :frowning:

Yeah…that’s the thing which hurts dreegal’nore the most imo.

18% rta to judgment is what…6% rta a second?

ring of sethris offers double that amount via a proc.

If the 18% rta could be moved to HoW…it’d be a different story

EDIT: Even 1 point aegis with transmutor does more work than dreegal’nore judgment

Yeah

I made an ok build. Like a second rate sentinel set sentinel that is squyshier

Ironically the “buff” to dreegal got me worse rolls than i had before.

imo it should need another mod to another skill for rta. Like most stand alone retal items have

what would be nice is to see retal DEE in action.

Bramblevine is nice and all, but the single target nature of untransmuted DEE is just god awful.

i’d even go for 2h retal swinging, even though we only have 1x wps.

Might try a noxious scion RF build. I love necrotic edge animation

Why not try stoneguard with bramblevine + okaloth’s helm?

just use RF transmutor

I had this idea couple of weeks ago but bramble retal is…

I mean you get the RF mod and mess out on 2.5K flat retal.

I’ve tried Okal with Stonguard set and really i didn’t feel anything. Rf dmg was kinda same and everything else suffered cause calla is globally better and has phys retal