[1.2.1.6] Cabalist - SR36 Chaos Birds

That was the entire point :man_facepalming:

Wonder what you would say if you farmed for a day and scored better than the original post.

i mean you changed more than just affixes…
“because your prior build was carried by the existing double rare affixes”, ie when you changed those double rares you then also changed components and augments/“defences” - aside from run performance then also being a little impacted.

That’s the point with you underestimating what your double rares bring. it forces a cascade of changes, in this case defences, (and then also impacts the result even)
That is significant
Similar when you scoff at people for “cherrypicking” affixes, even if those affixes are not bis on single rare combos, just because they are useful. - your double rares are also useful to your build, and you can see that, so you underestimate it when people point it out (but have 0 issues pointing it out in others :wink:)

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So soloing a SR36, with a great time, using the worst affixes possible, did not address your issues…

Never have. I don’t care about affixes. I do say that if stats have been edited it should be mentioned if intended to be a guide for new players.

Just showing a build I seriously doubt anyone cares how it was created. In fact, I enjoy seeing the best possible options for a build and the performance report.

Nah, it’s more in this game the chances of legitimately getting the exact one needed are very, very low and can’t legitimately farmed in a sane, “I have a life outside of gaming” degree of farming.

Hell, I’ve dumped a thousand+ hrs into SR and still only have a handful of double rare MI’s and even left some on the ground if the rolls weren’t useful. But I’d never use them in a published build, because I know not everyone has the “time” I have to farm.

I have all those items in this build. Double rare MIs drop like candy, I even get a few when playing “SSF” in campaign

“Legitemately” is a weird word, the game is meant to be modded, there are even “cheat” tools published on this forum. It is not even against the forum rules to post builds with items and chars created with such tools.

If you want a “purist” place to be, perhaps start a site like d2-net’s SPF (single player forum)

Dude, everybody who posts builds in Path of Exile are degenerates who lives in their moms basement. What gear they have on “season start day 2” is basically what I have who plays in SSF leauge have when there are 2 days left on the leauge… but they are treated as heros by the community. In Grim Dawn, we treat them as villans…

Except for this leauge, I decided to play in SSF and I got mageblood drop in a random normal T16 map, and svalinn shield in the first starfall crater… and I only play like 3-4h/day. I first thought “I can not use these items they are too rare and expensive for me to use yet”.

If someone on facebook posts a picture of their brand new ferrari do you also assume that they stole the car or the money to buy it? “I have worked for 12 000 years and I can not afford a ferrari”. Or “your wife is too beautiful can you post pictures of uglier women who I can get?” :stuck_out_tongue:

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First its so easy to confuse ourselves with what we think someone means with the things thats been said and what not. We could blame speech itself for this tragedy.

I think Gnomish never intended anything bad. Gnomish has very inquisitive eyes and likes to put them in action to disamble builds and share his insight.

  1. Posting Builds on this forum is like serving someone a meal to eat. People always appreciate a well thought out build thats been polished and been cared for.
  2. A low effort post will draw silly questions and it will be picked upon especially if the build has some construction “weakness”.
  3. This leads us to this build, lets take a look. A Bysmiel set with Chthon Orb and Bone Scavengers wich stacks conversions all over the place going for Chaos, additionally 4 greens with 3 being double rares. And then seeing on the boots and gloves 15% bleed res augments wich are practically useless.
  4. This will lead naturally to some questioning and maybe even shitposting if you do not explain what went on in the building process and why you chose what you have chosen etc
  5. No offense to anyone and there is no written rule as to how post something. Still things establish themself and are being held as “good practice” cause its convenient and lets the reader better comprehend what he/she is being served

Back to the build and something constructive:

A polished version of OP’s build:

Skills: Soul Harvest and Hellfire being maxed and Hellhound only as a 1 pointer wich still reaches respectable skill level 12. Yields much more flat damage and better supports Birbs and Fiends damage wise compared to maxing Hellhound. Points moved from Bligth Burst and Master of Death. Those are well enough when soft-capped and MoD scales worse if overcapped.

Devotion: The setup is pretty neat in this case and i wouldnt change anything

Items: Left the double “of the Wild” and the “of Caged Soul” affixes and removed the others. Its still posible to cap the resists but you need to swap the “Eldritch Mirror” on the chest for a “Sacred Plating”. Its convenient to post a setup with only the barebone affixes beside the “imba-double-rare-one” to show that the setup still works. Doing this spares you some silly convos wich will either come from un-experienced players or veterans who may be a bit nit-picky.

Pet Resists: I wouldnt care that much about capping bleed and pierce resists and would go for offensive augments on the jewelry (Mog Blessings). 64% pierce and 54% bleed should be enough already. You are casting constantly Fiends as main tanks with “Unstable Anomaly”. They expire and get resummed before they die anyway.

Gameplay: Additionall need to cast “Bone Harvest” for the temp buff. Could be left out if a lazy style is more preferred. Eventually going for “Reap Spirit” would net you skill level 22 from the BH poinst. Really good alternative!

Another variant with just the “Bargoll Core” and 2-piece “Ghol” and “Serpent Crown”:

To cut it short: Gives much more leeway with the Fiend-casts and the “Ghol” shoulders give good amounts of ele-res for pets. The only thing is you need to crit with BH to trigger spider spawns from the gloves, 2700+ OA should serve it well if i am not mistaken. Also taking “Bysmiel’s Domination” as relic for another huge boost in chaos damage. I personally would prefer to play the build like this.

Conclusion: “Every tongue another language.”

Hope you can take something useful out from my feedback, have fun with this awesome game and post more builds we can pick upon :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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Could be better phrased to get my point across in this context, i am well aware of forum guidelines

No offense to anyone and there is no written rule in “how to make a build.”

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that’s not it here
i don’t mind people posting builds with double rares (unless it’s a beginner guide/advertised to be easy to get), i don’t mind builds posted with theoretical bis (sans beginner), i do not mind memes, wonky stuff, or suboptimal builds/don’t subscribe to the "no duplicate builds"notion (even if 15 similar primal strike builds seem redundant).

Here it was very simple, someone called out the double rares, (because for some reason "no double rares"in builds became sorta this unspoken non-standard standard), and automator dismissed it, my entire point was not that it wasn’t fine, or the build is wrong in its combination and setup; but the casual dismissal of the note.
It’s then a “double” note because he has dismissed builds from using “cherrypicked”/useful affixes before as illegitimate and “edited” because of it, (i know he said he didn’t but he tends to say stuff like that/forget prior interactions) - including a build posted by an xbox player that naturally couldn’t’ use an editor.
So it was merely an observation to not disregard the double rare impact in such fashion combined with slight hypocrisy is all.

I wish people would post more builds like Automator, for all our other disagreements he does one thing right; he dares to post non-meta and non-hyperoptimized stuff because he has his own criteria. -a lso why i think it’s a loss he nuked his build thread despite the arguments.
And GD being so well in variety means more should be showed off, specially non traditional stuff, and put that “GD allows you to do this” and hammer it in to players how much stuff is actually viable in XY fashion even if we also change Z requirement a lil.

I will keep arguing with Automator on silly stuff, like never finishing a run - still :sweat_smile:, and i will keep appreciate or even praise him for continued posting despite criticism or whatever detractors there might be.
GD deserves all the build posted, and in his own way Automator is bothering to contribute to that bit by bit, also even if the format isn’t some unwritten standard.

edit.
*remember, once upon a time No-Green Mafia was a thing too, and look where we are now, emerald builds galore baby :stuck_out_tongue:

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Did you find it at least a bit funny how i used your name for amusement? :sweat_smile:

Oh i do not imply anything i just saw the “U mad!? 3 double-rares!” hahahha and chimed in cause i like it myself when people display alternatives to their double-rare setups and if builds therefore can be viable without using them like you explained in detail with regards to affixes and how they can affect… never end never end…
Thanks for letting me know about your prior interaction, its all good, no bad blood i guess between u2

Oh yeah Automator going for this extravagant “Bysmiel set+Blood of Chthon” combination with all that conversion and double-rares has let me feel how “Internal Trauma” feels first hand while looking at it. hahah :joy: How dare he? lol

Always nice to look at builds no matter the skill level, intention of the builder. Yeah there are so many ways to enjoy GD. So hyped for FoA :partying_face:

Edit: No-Green Mafia :see_no_evil: hahaa hilarious

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I will always assume someones first question is honest and deserves an answer.

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WDYM “once upon a time”?
I mean, probably less so in the most recent time (especially since the last top20 was posted), but no-green builds are still a thing (I guess?)
I myself definuitely like them most of all, because they have this “final piece” feel to them (which a rarely get haha).

Or am I living in the delusional past while all the others have finally accepted that fact that having at least a couple greens in the build is inevitable?

difference is making a build without greens voluntary today vs it being “frowned” upon/non-standard using them at all prior. MIs becoming normalized later changed the latter

Might find a shift away from seeing greens that way and instead finding it being applied to ascendant bonuses. Basically everyone is getting GDtools with rng/cost tag. But I have never had an issue with edited stuff cause the game allows it.

Are you guys talking about MI’s that don’t have conversions necessary for a build, or Rainbow mod (green) affixes?

If it’s MI’s in general, devs intend that you to have at least one late game sr. I may be miss-reading something.

It’s because someone posted the odds for rare affixes and it became very, very obvious the chances of them dropping were beyond the ken of all but the most dedicated of farmers. Also I’m allergic to target farming so I prefer to not make anyone else suffer badly :stuck_out_tongue:

Ahhh thank you. You were referring to affixes not the MI.

I admittedly am very bad at what affix goes with what build. Have noticed some asian players using non-rare affixes with amazing results. I would love to ask if not for language barrier.

no green mafia was a thing way back where MI wasn’t used as standard yet/“frowned upon”. I think because drop rates was simply much much worse, including affix luck, and at some point they even had bad MIs in the table, but those got removed at some point (don’t recall when/and or if No-Green Mafia was a thing past that)