[1.2.1.6] 💥 Upheaval Druid | 12s dummy | 6-14k hp/s

[shok211]

Which is the evidence you asked for.

thanks but as said this not x2.5 it’s roughly 1.5-1.7 consider i never tried mix/max rolls on gear, in fact old setup has 200 less AO and not capped attack speed + there upcoming buff for veil set

[mad_lee]

@shok211

this not x2.5 it’s roughly 1.5-1.7 consider i never tried mix/max rolls on gear, in fact old setup is has 200 less AO and not capped attack speed + there icoming buff for veil set

It’s gonna be more than 2.5 if you measure it against SR, Crucible and Dummy. Anyway, good luck with your build, seems like you are not open for feedback, so as I like to say in cases like this: you do you!

[shok211]

@mad_lee

seems like you are not open for feedback

opposite no, i kind of okay if people point me when wrong. this is just different build and i trtied to point that fire damage is not the best scale direction, but one of

It’s gonna be more than 2.5 if you measure it against SR, Crucible and Dummy

I think result will be opposite, but I will download build you pointed me and could provide exactly numbers compare to my build on dummy with DPYes

[mad_lee]

@shok211

fire damage is not the best scale direction

Scaling %damage in Grim Dawn is the best and most obvious way to scale your build’s… damage. That’s like 101 of making builds: get as much of relevant %damage modifier as you can. Not sure what’s unclear here.

@shok211

I think result will be opposite, but I will download build you pointed me and could provide exactly numbers compare to my build on dummy with DPYes

@mad_lee

you do you!

[shok211]

@mad_lee

Scaling %damage in Grim Dawn is the best and most obvious way to scale your build’s… damage. That’s like 101 of making builds: get as much of relevant %damage modifier as you can. Not sure what’s unclear here.

this build have have 100-120% crit and nearly 440% damage on upheavel, so OA is actully double dip, in fact since this is multiplier to % fire damage this is the reason why this build output just slightly less DPS than linked elementalist while having less fire %

[mad_lee]

@shok211

slightly less DPS than linked elementalist

47 seconds versus 2 minutes is “slightly less DPS”? Even if you adjust for farma and do average rolls on gear it’s gonna be like around 1 minute.

Look, as I said, you can believe what you want to believe, I am done with this debate, good luck.

[tqFan]

@mad_lee

Found this outdated video by @banana_peel tho (I hope he forgives me for sharing link only video):

Wanted to make one myself for a second since I’ll be playing for a week but it would be a waste because this one looks perfectly optimized Shouldn’t be a problem to do 1m with it now with different rolls / pots or whatever because between 47s and 1m is a whooping 60 / 47 ~ 1.28 damage multiplier. Every second is a huge gain when we are at this killspeed. And <1min is what I would personally expect from such a build these days. I mean it did break some records at one point.

@shok211

I used this build damage as refrence

This poorly optimized for DPS.

[Jason_the_Iguana]

@mad_lee

Agree to disagree. I think casual friendly Druids at the very least include Mirror into their arsenal.

Anecdotal evidence, but despite playing this game extensively for over a year and having 8 different Arcanist builds (5 of which are AAR casters…) all of whom have Mirror, it has saved my characters’ lives exactly… 0 times.

Either I don’t need it (99% of the time) or I need it but don’t notice in time, or I notice and get flustered and fumble the button, or I use it too late because I am afraid I’ll need it later, or I use it too early and I die anyway. (But usually the former two)

I still take the skill in the vague hopes it will one day work as intended, but casual friendly? It’s a pretty hard skill to get good at using because it comes up relatively rarely in normal play, so I never really developed a sense for the timing.

I much prefer the passive circuit breakers like Blast Shield because I generally notice those triggering and then I know I need to pay attention/get an aether cluster ready.

(Nullification, on the other hand, is my favourite skill bar none, so very useful for 1 point or even 10 on some builds.)

[shok211]

@mad_lee

you do you!

I recreated one from video, the dumy kill time on Elementalist 6s on Druid 12s (but druid can’t proc arcane will)

I can’t test Callagadra because elementalist just always die, no matter what i do, so it kind of doesn’t make sense (i didn’t use armour aument because calla don’t use aether & poison)

to be more fair i always select from one of 2 green items and multiple purple if roll matters, i don’t know where on original video additional 500oa come from

_Druid.zip (178.0 KB)
_Elementalist.zip (158.7 KB)

[tqFan]

Elementalist doesn’t have component and augments on some pieces

Also not sure how good are you against Calla, but you can try with Hunted Steel / Bloodthrist, it will help a ton for this fight without much damage looss

[shok211]

@tqFan

Elementalist doesn’t have component and augments on some pieces

i didn’t use armour aument because calla don’t use aether & poison

right i will add them and re-test

[tqFan]

You put fewer points in Blast Shield… Anyway, if you fail, I’ll try myself on Sunday too as I’d expect it to be good enough for Calla. Might make some adjustments too.

[shok211]

@tqFan

You put fewer points in Blast Shield… Anyway, if you fail, I’ll try myself on Sunday too.

thanks, added missing components and fixeds points, still dying no matter what in second phase my best time 50s (80% off), so i expected that kill time could be around 60-70s (if add some farma)

_Elementalist.zip (159.5 KB)

for reference my last attached save druid kill ~1:38

[tqFan]

Now you lost 9% attack speed because you didn’t 1p Storm Touched
Anyway, leave it to me, I’ll carefully check every detail

Apart from the already mentioned Hunted Steel,
I think I’ll use Blazing Charge or even better Stormtitan’s Charge to proc Meteor to actually be able to proc Phoenix in this fight and put it on Upheaval or sth. May also put more points in Blast Shield.

[shok211]

@tqFan

Anyway, leave it to me, I’ll carefully check every detail

If you want to test yourself, there are few changes that i want to try on druid version:

• gridle has single affix, i can’t select second one so maybe change it to something else
• as i pointed early there should be 6% buff to upheavel proc and possible fix for DOT conversion on single skill (not sure if this affect overload)

in this fight and put it on Upheaval or sth. May also put more points in Blast Shield.

I died only when blast shield on cooldown

@tqFan

proc Meteor to actually be able to proc Phoenix

I could try, and also switch to haunted steel

[Jason_the_Iguana]

@shok211

gridle has single affix, i can’t select second one so maybe change it to something else

Crafted faction belts only have a single affix. For the Veilkeeper druid I recommend the phantom-thread girdle, which not only has a ton of OA but lowers the amount of phys you need to equip the armour.

[shok211]

@Jason_the_Iguana

Crafted faction belts only have a single affix

didn’t know, will change to MI one …, i think resistances is more important than phys reduction, but i used this belt in old version

@tqFan

Apart from the already mentioned Hunted Steel,

maybe this just my skill, i can’t survive

_Elementalist.zip (160.1 KB)

[tqFan]

@shok211

I died only when blast shield on cooldown

I know people look at Blast Shield this way but what also matters is Health you have when Blast Shield is on. For example on Banana’s vid he uses Health pot with Blast Shield ON. Maybe he wouldn’t have to use it if Blast Shield were leveled more. Also sometimes you can avoid proccing some other devos that proc on low health.

I also tested it on Lokarr in some beginner build and maxing Blast Shield helped because after it was off I didn’t need to use Health pot right away. Not even mentioning fights like Crate where you fight in short bursts and long breaks.

I’m still gonna put more points into Blast Shield despite what others are doing

@shok211

maybe this just my skill, i can’t survive

@shok211

I could try, and also switch to haunted steel

Thanks for trying. I’ll still try myself to be sure. I’m a very low skilled player, took me many hours to learn to avoid Calla’s Sunder for the first time. I still mess it up sometimes when she does the flap and rotates and the same time

[shok211]

@tqFan

Calla’s Sunder for the first time. I still mess it up sometimes when she does the flap and rotates and the same time

you can then try druid version, it’s very chill, i died twice on second stage when don’t use pot, but overall killed it 3-4 in row without going red screen (also incombat tooltip show x1.4-1.7 difference in damage between both builds)

[mad_lee]

@Jason_the_Iguana

I still take the skill in the vague hopes it will one day work as intended, but casual friendly? It’s a pretty hard skill to get good at using because it comes up relatively rarely in normal play, so I never really developed a sense for the timing.

If you can’t react to a dangerous situation fast enough or predict that you are about to get into a sketchy situation, the way you can exploit (and should sometimes exploit) mirror is for aggressive play. Use it as your window to deal as much damage to as many targets as possible, and after it you can rely on your other circuit breakers if you have them.