Pierce melee build is always my love&favorite since i started GD, and i waited this set very long time!!! last week i finished whole set and played some good old pierce blademaster…
BUT, making this set as a blademaster set makes little sense to me, why?
1- we, all melee pierce lovers never ever needed autoattack replacer if we go blademaster -> cadence!
by no means cadence performs better than belgothian strikes and it saves you so much pts, but using this set on blademaster is pure inefficiency that kills me so hard…
it makes sense that belgothian can be a blademaster according to lore and probably has no relationship luminari order aka inquistors… on the other hand, nightblades used to sell their services to empire? and this empire can be erulan empire which inquistors responsible to protect…
w/e in the end this set makes more sense on infiltrator rather than blademasters to me, and ofc would be alot more efficient…
Yeah, let’s take away one of the few things Blademasters have of worth to make Infiltrators even better with this set. It’s not like Infiltrator already competes with Blademaster for a spot on this set.
Yeah, not gonna happen. It’s a Blademaster set, deal with it.
i didnt know zantai or other devs have 2nd accounts… ill take your words as an order and ‘i am gonna deal with it.’ sir… i dont know who do you think you are like talking to me like that, and discuss some idea topic with certain words like ‘never gonna happen’… didnt know you decide things here
your words make zero contrubition to this thread and i dont give a single … about your opinion unless you write something make sense about pierce build, blademaster and such… w/e
like i said above, without contrubiting single idea to this thread, simple ‘no’ is not helping at all…
Already explained why it won’t happen. Think about it: Infiltrators already destroy with this set with no effort, what you think it would happen if you added Inquisitor skills? Tell me. Instead of being a jerk with no counter arguments like you are being right now, please tell what would happen.
This set is specific tailored for Blademasters and i would bet high that it was made after people constantly complaining that pierce Blademasters sucked for a long time. Adding Inquisitor skills would make this set just flat out better for Infiltrator. Right now they compete, there’s a balance. You want to throw off that balance.
tbh infiltrators already performs better than blademasters with this set or should be on paper from my experiences…
imo, all classes outside of necro + inq meant to be played with old lvl 50 systems and we didnt get some major buffs and tweaks to them… you can easily see clusterfuck 10 million dmg type mixes on some classes, for example demo skils; like grenado deals phys fire pierce int trauma in same skill line, like wtf? and imagine old times, grenado had no transmuter and wide itemization like these days…
now we have inq class, which is not even super optimal for pierce build but still ofc offers more than a soldier for pierce dmg… which exactly should be.
to expand that idea, this game lacks pierce caster stuff aswell or more pierce oriented class. and its not so hard to see that, soldier is more designed to carry a shield and mostly deal phys dmg, bleed is there, and pierce come last or not even exist trully.
Crate keeps throwing some cool sets to balance this, from what i see. which is cool idea… i was the person who cried alot pre AoM about ‘this game needs more convertion, more weird sets that open up new build ideas’ and goes on.
maybe its time to rework old masteries abit aswell…
and by no means, this set salvaging or saving soldier/blademaster not being optimal choice for dw melee pierce build, and to my arpg perspective it should not be already. i like to dig details, i care efficiency a lot etc but this is not the right direction to create sets.
you dont/shouldnt create a set to compete/save inefficient class combo for that dmg type already.
also by adding some inq stuff wont make dw pierce infiltrator a top tier class, which dw melee already lacks aeo dmg and super hard to itemize.
my next topic gonna be how inefficient is blind assassin set on inquistor and should be trickster set aswell… there are tons of pierce + bleed items in game and we all know that how hard and inefficent to mix that 2 dmg types esp with zero bleed on inq and limited bleed option nblades offers, devotion itemization skills and class choice perspective…
I wish belgothian set to be a pure Nightblade set, so I can play Nightblade auto-attack build with an auto-attack replacer in any mastery I want.
Regarding revamping the old mastery. I completely agree. Aside from soldier & arcanist, others need to be buffed.
You can feel vast difference in playing Necro and Inquisitor variant compared with other old mastery combination. The new masteries provide better offensive and defensive skills.
The old mastery (beside soldier and arcanist) is mostly lacking in defensive skills. Demolitionist is a bit better with its blast shield, although its synergy with other mastery need to be look at. Nightblade provide decent defense with blade barrier, although it will be better if you can still do something when its active. Occultist and shaman are the worst. They need some kind of damage reduction mechanism.
With the upcoming dlc, I think the existing power creep will feel so much worse.
Lorewise, I think the belgset fit its role perfectly. Belgothian was an unorthodox swordsman for both the NBs and soldiers.
It would make sense for him to have found a way to maximize the fighting skills (i.e. WPS) from both masteries in a unique way.
With cadence, you’d only invest in 1 or 2 WPS, and that just seems a little weird doncha think? Also, you won’t be able to make full use of deadly momentum in this regard because internal trauma.
Just my 2 cents worth.
What NEEDS support, however, is the valdun set. No one is going to build a valdun-anything if the belgothian set is around.
Sry mate. BM is perfect on this one after recent mods:) There is not reason for it to be infiltrator (srsly inquis literally everywhere, even a lot of sets/misc gear that don’t support it.).
Lore wise it does not make sense at all with luminary I think. Belgo was a buff NB. A simple but very effective killing machine. Soldier fits well imo
Cadence is by no means superior to Belgo strikes. The %wpdmg/charges multiplied with %wpdmg from execution and modded shears/MA from 2x Slicers makes it really smooth. AA like Belgo strikes/Savagery etc in general feel so much better with WPS and Belgo slauther is a set that banks everything in WPS, so cadence breaks the build in half basically
( 3. On a strictly personal note here i absolutely hate and always have hated Cadence with DW long before AoM. It does not make perfect use of WPS like Belgo strikes, they are just fillers when you have cadence. It hits 1h and looks, feels like you are limping/are handicaped in battle. It may hit hard and more often every 3rd hit with DW but it feels ood to me. Oh and it procs Cadence more often IF you get a basic DW proc not WPS which is counted as a single charge always, basically discouraging you to go more than 1 or 2 WPS…This is a big loss in my book as I love WPS and like putting value into them. Belgo strikes/Svagery AA like these do just that )
Also believe it or not it kills faster than an infiltrator if done right.I really hope this will not change as inquis already oversaturates build thread. Do not let paper fool you here. It was tried not only by me but others as well. Inquis is just clunky to play with Belgo with kinda similar results
inq is everywhere already cause class is well optimized compare to old masteries we have, so its not a surprise to me at all
and i always hated soldier so long before new 2 masteries cause how strong and well designed soldier is compare to other masteries in most situations, for some fucking reason soldier even got cast speed with AoM which makes me laugh still… for just to support forcewave cast speed issues its like spoon feeding
1- lore wise belgothian is belgothian doesnt suit either soldier or inquistor %100, he is just a nightblade… and it make sense that he can be inq or soldier according to writings but w/e
2- you guys didnt read well what i wrote i guess i said belgothian strikes > cadence already…
and i hated cadence so long for dw builds, and if we had a chance i would never use it on any dw build who has wps.
i havent tried inq myself, and like i said it looks far better than soldier on paper, and about playstyle it would be clunky and i wouldnt play inq aswell i guess.
another reason i dont like some sets in GD is why this set is not pure nblade set? or why not support both inq and soldier already for example. set systems sometimes limits players so hard in this way, by no means it restrict you going other class but soldier skills are there and shiny always discourage players imo.
on the other hand, you guys are %100 right about 1 thing… if this set also supports inq i would never play blademaster cause there are 1-2 builds you may play as blademaster already so if this set will have inq +skills i would never and ever play a single blademaster cause i have better options
On paper, but not in real world, was surprised/bit dissapointed back in 0.2 and other players were surprised even afterwards.
Now after set buff to MA the gap is way closed. The damage consistency that BM has with overall better WPS (infiltrator really feels the lack of MA with 2x slicers). The ease of getting very high OA and the monstrous MA DA debuff also gives very high crit frequency. Not the absolute highest dmg roll, that title is for 2x Malkadar Korba execution. But the consistency of crits in both AoE and single target makes it really smooth as BM
lets not dont talk about X2 malkadars korba:D you cant candidate a char that rely on just lucky rngjesus execution hits the to be top dmg dealer in game… in reality you will invest belgothian + execution + 1 more wps to be effective about dmg dealing, and it will take very long time to record those 3 sec mq videos… you will just record countless times while praying god to proc 3-4 executions in a row:D so inconsistency of malkadar is meh compare to consistency of belgothian bmaster
if you really look for consistent most dmg dealer single target is, its dual chillstrife using korba helm and maybe chest… actually the amount of wep dmg you have is over 19k per hand -> +38k which beats every possible 2hander and put them in dust, needless to mention you have way over 100 cold rr.
I’ll probably never agree to this suggestion. Infiltrator already has two top tier builds: cold PB and cold rune. Another two very strong builds: belgo and auramancer, some strong builds but are not up to the ones above like pierce rune, northern wyrm, and probably ignaffar and SS.
Buffing one very strong build will probably nullify the negative effects of playing pierce infil (clunkiness) due to its pure raw power. That won’t be nice. Devs should support the bad classes (Sabo, Defiler) more before buffing the strong ones.
Edit: i agree that pierce in general still needs more support, but belgo is fine now as it is and the focus should be on other weaker sets
1- lore wise belgothian is belgothian doesnt suit either soldier or inquistor %100, he is just a nightblade… and it make sense that he can be inq or soldier according to writings but w/e
Adding Inquisitor skills lore wise makes NO SENSE. Belgothian was known to charge recklessly at his enemies. Adding Inquisitor skills to this set means it’s for INFILTRATOR and this means someone that sneaks through places undetected.
It’s the complete opposite of what Belgothian does. So no, lore wise it doesn’t make sense. It makes sense with Soldier because they are the front line infantry, which is what Belgothian basically is. Someone that charges at his enemies head on.
I don’t think Belgo could give a shit about Luminari or even burden his vocabulary with the word itself. He’d probably classify them as “people with robes & hats”.
He didn’t care who his contractor was, he killed them too sometimes, all he needed was a reason to be let loose.
He barely had a distant respect(and that’s a big word for lack of a better one atm) for NB peers.
“My brother nightblades have their methods, and I have mine. There are no innocents.” < thins can mean a number of things, including that he’d have no problem killing one.
hmm didnt know that precious knowledge, sir can you show me where its written belgothian is a soldier or can be ? esp ‘charge recklessly’ part… cause from what i have read and know from item notes and small lore about belgothian parts he is still just a nightblade…
and its extremely hillarious that , you bind ‘frontline’ part of soldier and ‘reckless power’ of nightblades LUL… how come frontlining and being reckless can be an evidence of a blademaster ? funny… also i didnt see belgothian frontlines in anywhere written aswell?
dont know what you are smoking but howcome being infiltrator makes you sneaky assassin inquistor class doesnt have even single 1 one spell or skill that provides you stealth, shade from reality attacks like shadowstrike or any mysterious combat skill… this is more funny than your blademaster relationship btw
if you refer to ‘belgothian shears’ note its just written that he is using direct and lethal attacks… like execution whirling death and other wps are sneaky or assasinish or something only nidalla and shadowstrike line and maybe pb line looks more assasin type and sneaky to me btw. and lore wise blind assassin thaddeus killed headmaster of the templar in daylight, i guess this is our sneaky assassin aswell and blind one
so pls show me your evidence i might be wrong about this part… and ill accept i am wrong.
meanwhile since nblades sold their services the great empire? which we dont know which empire is this but i assume this is erulan empire, which is protected by inquistors, it makes more sense to me that belgothian and some other nblades can be inquistors aswell…
on the other hand soldiers also protect the empire…
so lore wise belgothian can be both. i still think he is just a nblade lul
and my final words, i never said that belgothian is %100 inquistor or soldier, like you do cause there is no strong evidence. i even said that it makes slightly more sense that he can be blademaster but in the end it makes sense in both ways to me, so very well he can be infiltrator aswell… so i dont know what you are trying to contribute here again, more like NO SENSES to me
