I was thinking a lot to write this, after seeing john smith GD riot thread and a top build’s right now (Didn’t find it) thread.
First i won’t judge any builds or builders.
This about how and why we „deserved” what we will get in the upcoming patch. I am not talking about reta warlords. I am talking about how crate reflect for builds of builders.
Builders Broke Dying God:
So early AoM, there will be a little time when i saw builds with DG every build used that…
Crate: Nerfed. (No matter what time.)
Builders Broke N&O:
I rememebr that was the week when i saw every fuckin day a N&O variation of build.
Crate: Nerfed.
Builders Broke Reta Warlords:
I think we can agree needed some nerf, but to be honest on the first week i just saw reta warlods on reta warlords…
Crate: Nerfed.
So how the earth think any builder if u do the same builds with everyday they will not nerfing for the sake of diversity? (Mostly…) I think some of them just speak: yeah, u do this with that combination i do the same but with other combinations…
I think that, some of the builders thinking like a kind of roller coster where If i do 1:00 cruci clear time with that combination i got the pancake. (Yeah and Crate will come and nerf it. No matter it is good, or bad.)
To be honest for me the only painfull thing rigth now thejabrixone, Trielement apostate, he didn’t deserved it at all.
If u really want to make diversity do rare combinations (elementalist, defiler, deceiver, warlock…).
PS: Karma (Crate): What is going around, comes around…
People love playing OP builds. Not just in GD but in all other games. Crate gave us OP tools. We use it. Microsoft gave us excel. I’m not gonna write tables using a pen and calculate using a calculator. Some of us find fun in speedclearing. You don’t speedclear cruci with a warlock ffs. It’s just not fun at all.
I know this, somebody like cruci, sr, speeds. Nobody is the same, but:
I see 1 op build, i would say great, but seeing everyday… and now facing for the upcoming consequance like why??? is like bros u did it 10 times the same op build… what do u think u would get.
The philosophy of Crate Devs (as I understand it from a player point of view) is: when “something” (whether devotion, item, component etc.) is used in every build, hindering another specific and dedicated “something” to be used instead, then it’s nerfed. I really like that strategy and that’s (partially) why GD has become my most played game. They do a great job of balancing and avoiding things to snowball out of OPiness. Many developers in the industry should take example from this philosophy and how Crate manages the meta within reasonable limits. That’s my humble opinion.
With this in mind, you understand almost all changes in the last patches Empowered Beronath Amulet, SR Amulet, DG, N&O etc.
We all know that perfect balance is impossible and when the new meta has settled, another “thing” will be our next motto and everyone, including me :p, will jump in the next train of “nerf invincible spellbinders” or “physical retaliation is only for retarded players”.
Let´s be honest:
Why should someone take the time and post a build which doesn´t have the tags “c+” and/or minimum “sr”?
The best answer, you will get is: “Mediocre, but…”. Nobody is interested. Nobody will play it, because of the “06:XX Crucible, SR 75+”-builds with headings written by Captain Caps and his Shift Crew.
And god beware if you would post a build of mastery which already has these tags but yours can´t compete with it. Garbage.
Dying god crit damage is well deserved,but upcoming change to duration is not.Very few non vitality/chaos builds used it.Personally I have it only in aether,cause I already go for SoH.For Cold builds is not necessary,fire no.And other damages have their own constellations,far more useful.For posting different variations of same concept is annoying.S&B Warlords all way around is too much.People want to play top tier builds,I understand that.After FG actually I wanted to try so many things,but at some time will focus more on exotic combinations and not that popular classes.Still you can’t fault guy,who wants to farm SR or Crucible and play only WL or Paladin.
Yeah that’s working, but sometimes they don’t give the right weapon like dreeg weapon… (why has vitality damage? when the set support acid, poison.) They nerfed what is good for the ground and that combination is like dead…
Now every build can do that, i think. if u choose the right components, gear and a skilled player. Ur bleed trickster is like one of them. I liked it.
This is where you’re (partially) wrong, because you know who is interested? Crate. If builders were posting more builds that need help, there would be more buffs. Now, I’m not throwing stones at builders, because I fully understand the thrive to push back the limits, to reach the stars, and it is quite beautiful to watch, again, kudos to the builders, they’re awesome (even if they will cause nerfs :rolleyes:)
But if you want something buffed, post your build in the Feedback section, follow Z recommendations, and give a review of your personal experience. I think it’s one area that could be improved in the GD community, more chilled feedback, by non-prominent builders. Let the pros point out what’s OP, and point what’s UP, I think that’s the best way to help build diversity.
Also, while we’re at it, Build diversity at SR 25 is quite good, but could use moar feedback.
People want to play with strong builds ofc,sometimes leads to interesting questions.Ultos Vindicator thread,I like your build,but can I play it without the set?Or all these people asking Mad Lee about leveling guides:D.And these titles man,attracting viewers -God of War all content facemelting Warlord.And then,who will click and follow something less powerful and less popular.
When builds other than s&b builds can facetank ravager, that is kind of an indicator that there is something fishy going on.
From what I can see almost all the top builds are either oathbreaker combos or some nightblade combos. There are a few outliers but builds like paladin, warlord, infiltrator, dervish etc. seem to outperform the vast majority of other builds.
Alot of older builds are almost useless now for the new content (shards) which is kind of sad. Some can be made to work really well with new items etc. but many are just left in the dust now.
I spoke about when they used it, but they nerfed it now.
I agree. Sometimes that’s why we got nerf, cause was done the same thing with other combination for the better time.
LOL.
But this is a game, where u don’t really need to facetank with S&B builds. If u really want to be realisticwhy the earth we have other masterys? Right now i started to fill the gap of the dust ones.
Yeah, not our fault. Personally, I posted plenty of solid builds with weaker class combinations. But guess which of my guides have more views and replies? That’s right, the ones that have simple and powerful cookie cutter specs like Belgothian Infiltrator or PRM Mage Hunter.
Never said anything wrong with facetanking on non s&b specs, just I remember even premier tank specs struggling to facetank ravager before FG. Now its like a joke and we have nightblades facetanking him.
Show me a melee but non s&b tactician spec, spellbinder spec, druid spec, commando, ritualist etc. etc. which can just facetank ravager and ill give you a golden candy cane.
This is the only thing that is completely wrong. N&O was literally a universal set, for literally every build when they remade it. No matter how you looked at it, you saw it being OP and overloaded as fuck. Massive damage, RR on top of that, almost no cooldown, some dumb global modifiers. Crate were basically stupid at this point and they fixed it right away, which was needed. I don’t think N&O are weak now, I’d even say they’re as strong (or rather good) as before, but now limit you to a certain class. You should actually blame Crate for this, not builders. How I always say it, what is past should past remain - nowadays we should laugh it off, take it as a joke and live on.
It’s human nature to want to exploit (or max-min, if you like) all possibilities. That’s the good part. It makes for creativeness and challenge.
The not-so-good part is that some feel the need to hold onto the concept at all costs. For whatever reason: lazy farmer, enjoy the “ownership” of a build, don’t like to give up toys, lost your sense of powah, etc.
I personally don’t get all the QQ that accompanies these tweaks. It is just a new challenge. I can only suppose that some get emotionally attached to a single concept.
Crate does try to tweak a lot of stuff for the better and there is a lot more post-release support than many other games. Crate seems to do a fair bit of listening to the players and also uses some imagination. Some stuff works and some not-so-much.
Imho, all tweaks create a new challenge in a game that will ultimately become stagnant when Crate eventually stops the support. This is likely the last xpac. Enjoy the challenging flux for now.
it forces good answers and make the argument interesting.