i mean i can switch to pandemic again with a loss of a few skill points. i bet phys ravenous earth was also a thing people tried (it was on my list). but this is a completely new item. searches test discussion…
edit: let’s propose things i guess.
keep a version of the old corruptian.
to make the dee-part more interesting (without changing projectile behaviour) maybe the fragments-part of the base skill can be used to spawn puddles? dunno.
for the rave-part, could that get -armour & leech? dunno, try and make a weird melee caster happen?
It does have bonuses that aren’t found anywhere else, so I don’t think it’s a bad weapon. However the RE bonuses were also unique, and it’s not cool to kill that imho.
not really, only if you factor in the dmg type, which is largely irrelevant (imo) because the conversion is covered on a belt etc
and you have a ton of these wps and or death knight focused weapons already, - what’s kinda hilarious is that Z then also chose Necrotic edge on a melee weapon, a wps “notioriously” disliked by the toxic gang, which makes it feel like all the more of a “troll” change
either way, old corruptian made more sense imo, was more unique/special “as is”, caster weapon axe, with actual unique modifiers
*doesn’t mean they can’t be added elsewhere; but why change/remove them from this at all
twice/doubly all the weirder when this wasn’t even the request/suggested change for the weapon, but to make the DEE portion more cool, not to remove RE or change it to a DK melee weap
it didn’t. having unique modifiers has nothing to do with weapon actually making sense. while poison and duration for DEE is not sth new (we have that on several pieces of gear), phys RE was a pure meme part which was bad even back in the days of magic phys damage. let alone after it got removed.
so now this weapon actually does have some usage (I’m not a fan of the NE part since we have warborn already) and has a working build with it even. and people are unhappy because… uhm… they can’t make phys RE anymore? or they have to take another weapon for stacking poison on DEE? or simply by the fact that the weapon lost its unique mods no matter how bad they were?
gear peaces can and should have some unique mods. but those mods, imo, should make at least some sense.
literally did
by virtue of something new/different existing over something we have abundance of
so, at worst it should stay the same; and the variety would still be greater
at best it should be requested to be buffed “deservedly so as the underdog it was”
it does not necessitate killing because the top gang doesnt’ find it to be a top build, let alone replaced with the utmost generic concept “of which we have an abundance of” since that literally doesn’t increase variety, but is just more of the same
where? where is the usage that other weapons doesn’t already do, or do better, or the same “because it’s just a fricking generic melee wps weapon”, which the game is stacked with
yes, because it literally existed, and now it doesn’t that is a decrease in variety by definition and a literaly end of existing builds, where as this enables which builds that didn’t already exist? - melee witchblade? oppressor? warlord? Cabalist?
again, it made perfect sense, they might just not have been high enough in numbers to be a “top build” or above meme status build; but meme build is still variety and is still better than no variety
this does not increase variety, it slightly boost flavour for existing variety amount/phys melee, which doesn’t exactly lack in items nor gets anymore unique by this weapon becoming wps…
as for the DEE mention; yes it’s also a downgrade
is it bad it’s a downgrade since technically CD/poison DEE still exists without this weapon? no, but why should it have to, it was fine as CD DEE, what’s the harm in having 1-2 CD DEE options, one potentially better than the others, vs having a dozen melee AA weapons?
and yes it makes even less sense in the bloody context of requesting to specifically make the DEE portion better/more interesting; removing it from existence “is not that”
can’t believe basic stuff like that seriously have to be pointed out
this looks like keeping the variety just for variety itself, no matter how good or bad the item is; and let me say that it’s not a good case. you can have a ton of unique items but 99% of them might be trash. and in case of Corruptian, it was trash indeed.
oh, let’s not go with the top gang ruining fun stuff argument again, as it’s not valid. I searched the forum and found 1 (one) build that uses Corruptian. and it’s 4 years old, which is basically irrelevant now.
I think you saw banana’s build, so not linking it again. it offers decent support to melee WB and so one can do phys Rah’zin - which is pretty good since the set being used only for chaos for a very long time.
would be cool to see any of those existing build besides the one I mentioned earlier (made by Ulvar), even by average Joe.
melee witchblade is indeed an interesting subject since it has like 1 decent build and that’s 2h spam BA. others are just overall variants of Warborn or Markovian or w/e phys soldier you come up with; but Corruptian fits well together with Rah’zin; this results in a new build, which is good.
this is again an argument for keeping variety just for the sake of variety, no matter how good or bad the item itself is.
if you wanna play cd DEE so terribly, you can choose either Crimson Scepter or Pandemic (given that you also take Nar’Adin’s book for vit>acid), and Pandemic seems to be better since it has slightly less dot but has native DoT duration and higher % damage.
and that’s what Z did, and I’m not gonna think about why he did that.
yikes, it’s pretty hard to believe we still have to explain simple stuff like that
this alone is not a bad thing, why because more over less is better, specially in a game that prices itself of variety abundance
but sure, lets not dwell on that basic concept
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fn simple, not complicated
it was not, it was as you say a meme, but it was fine as meme, topgang finding something trash doesn’t mean mortals find stuff undeserved of existence
since when does a build need to exists on the forum for it to exist or be valid?
that’s the most ridiculous metric of build worthiness, or by the same logic we can infer that any build you guys haven’t posted shouldn’t exist/any and all such items should be build removed; but those items still exists
which was needed why?
phys rahzin have also been made years ago…
again, it not being a top build doesn’t mean it didnt’ exist…
you already found 1, yet that wasn’t enough, suddenly the world needs more to justify it’s existence? holy sht talk about moving the goal post and clutching for straws,
sure, this was mine, and it’s 100% dead now Oppressor, Level 100 (GD 1.2.1.2) - Grim Dawn Build Calculator
call it fantasy, call it suboptimal, literally doesn’t fn matter, the point was it existed, i had fun making it/coming up for ideas with it, and had fun playing it
all that sht is gone now, again, because of what more bs melee flavour that is the most abundant and redundant itemization in the game?
decent by top gang standards, the rest of us have made melee witchblades before, including phys rah’zins
yes, because more variety is literally better than less; specially when the replacement is stuff there is an abundance off vs something that literally doesn’t exist
and it’s not just an argument about variety > less variety, but to literally keep in line with what the point of balance updates are; buffing underdogs, ie if RE was so egregious to you, it should be requested to be buffed, not killed in favour of supporting the most abundant and strong playstyle…
the question wasn’t whether can, but now you have to…
and corruption also had more dot and more duration, so the question would be if the caster class 100% extra acid dmg was better/more optimal from a minmax pov; but even if so where is the harm in having the choice vs being forced into a singular
yes, it’s pretty hard to believe some players still can’t see beyond their own narrow build scope, let alone perception of balancing or “flavour” needs/validations… and because of that can’t tell something as basic as 1 -1 = 0 which is not a positive, “just because it’s meme standards”
it is not the argument; because you guys didn’t cause this change,
but you’re advocating for it the change staying, on the basis of imo a poor argument/unnecessary flavour reasoning “because the least addition we neeed is more melee weapon /generic wps support”
yes, srs, get mad about, because once again the game is losing variety and builds, existing stuff, over a this time pointless change.
This should be upsetting to more than just me/imo because we lost something and gained virtually nothing… - in a game famous for allowing/enabling all sorts of weird wonky and meme variety stuff…
this item wasn’t under used, it was used exactly for its purpose; you guys just don’t like that purpose because not top build tier
“these are not the same”
if anything, you of all people; should advocate for phys RE and CD DEE being a thing instead of “not being a thing” since you want to make “things more widely viable” to the benefit of all those casuls you advocate other changes/buffs for
*again, i’m fully aware this was a unilateral change by Z (unless you guys whispered naughty things in his ear on discord?),
but i’m amazed how excited the top gang is over just more generic wps support, instead of actually making phys RE cool and CD DEE dope (“as Grey suggested in his thread”)
You need like so many items for phys RE to work even on some mid level. Just a bad skill to be converted to phys and just one solitary mod supporting it wasn’t gonna save it. I don’t mind the rework to help Witchblade, I’d rather have Witchblade have one solid build than absolutely below shit tier Phys RE exist in that form that it existed in.
which is kinda the point?
casuls are fine with mid level stuff, things top builds consider “trash”
meanwhile casuls wont give a flying fart about this melee weapon over another for witchblade, because we’re already running beronath etc and are ok with that
so this change “only” benefits the top gang/min max clear chasing fraction of speed faster
meanwhile this extinguishes a build tier completely for that casul acceptance audience…
Saying that “casuls” are ok with low power builds doesn’t sound right.
I dunno if I’m ok or not about the change, i guess it’s ok as long as it has support for a decent build.
I also would have been ok to have more support coming from gear for Physical RE.
I’m kind of curious how you guys theory crafted a build around it (physical RE, any grimtools link ?).
Or do you guys have any videos of such a build ?
I’m asking bescause it’s seems like it would be rough to do a good build around it.
you have casuls fine, happy and proud of taking 7mins to kill kaisan or even 1hour to kill Mogdrogen
so yes, it sounds very right
What matters to many is their creation, not that it’s a peak efficiency min max build, and spending time interacting with regular players quickly demonstrates that mid level stuff is plenty acceptable to many.
Legit surprised if i’m the only one browsing regular persons’ GTs on Steam, discord, or this very forum when a new player makes a post a build post
heck, you have some people getting put in the timeout corner for pointing out when those casul build posts are not “proper”/built the right way
How about adding the acid DEE mods from the Corruptian to the Deception of Dreeg set. I feel like that set could use a buff considering its not even in the top 3 of DEE builds even though it is “the” DEE set.
