I’m worried about the FoA because the company has previously sold minor changes in new DLC, although they should have already been in the original game by default
Plus the content in these DLCs, frankly speaking, does not shine with quality. there are interesting moments, it’s clear that people tried to do something good, but either they didn’t have enough imagination, or they didn’t have the money.
This game is talked about as “average” and “only for build experementation” for a reason tbh. It pains me to say this, but it’s true. Such a strong base but…
So the focus on new skins worries me.
With update 1.2 I watched as a bunch of streamers and content creators simply left the game with not very flattering reviews.
funny, because i keep hearing it’s one of the best ARPGs ever and currently out there - them putting it up along Diablo and PoE (with various nuances or caveats ofc, as with all things)
you will always find people that have negative things to say, and while steam reviews doesn’t tell the whole story, 90+% positive is probably a fair bit more than “avg” ?
sounds like streamers and content creators i haven’t heard about thus don’t really care much for their opinion
just like i personally don’t care much for/agree with other’s opinions about parts of 1.2, even if 1.2 had elements i didn’t like; tho overall 1.2 was net + for me.
same goes for d3 and d4, (personally haven’t played d4), some will like it, some will praise it to high heavens; others will dislike it or even detest it.
Granted my world view might be biased since i spend more time on the Grim Dawn forum and discord than other places, so i likely generally see more praise than detractors raised; but i do ofc also see those people leaving criticism once in a while.
And while sales obv can’t be retroactively reacted upon on an update, so not like people could refund GD on 1.2 release, i think it’s fair to say we’d have seen a lot more vocal criticism/negative reviews posted if Grim Dawn was merely an “average” game and that then also got made suddenly much worse for it by 1.2. But we didn’t, so i’m gonna lean towards the side that significant amount of people still think the game is great,
and i suppose FoA sales+feedback will show if that’s true or not if nothing else
Instead of gameplay updates and further QoL changes we have new skins.
Yeah but SR is boring af, Crucible is undercooked, classes really good but you don’t have content to use them tbh, transmutation and totems makes this game much less tideous(and abit more fashionable) so it MUST be by default.
There is a whole list of things that bother me and i can talk about it for a long time. But I think this is not the right thread to discuss such things.
I think this game might simply not be for you if you dislike everything in it. And that’s OK.
But it’s utterly disingenuous (and really quite idiotic, frankly) to think Crate focuses on skins over game updates when they literally just released their largest free update ever just two months ago.
It’s a fucking cosmetic pack. What kind of gameplay updates do you expect from cosmetic pack? We just had gameplay update with 1.2. We’re about to have another one with expac.
this is just whole new reach of disingenuous on a strange level?
couple months ago you got gameplay and qol update, for free, update 1.2
i’ve literally showed you in my previous response the dozens of updates and development posts/patches since loyalist 2-3, patch 1.0.1.3 in 2019 to 1.2 in 2023, and somehow you translate those almost 5 years of patches and update delivery as them now focusing on skins?? @_@ - how does one make that leap?!?
next month you will get another game update “for free” - which is literally mentioned in this very topic announcement?
No, like, i’m curious. We get exactly the things you ask for. You still don’t like them? Too bad. There are games i don’t like either. “The focus on cosmetics” - where is that focus? 5 skins in how long has it been since the last loyalist pack, 4 years?
What conveys it to you then? Sales? Those spiked too. Viewership spiked. Concurrent players went up. Positive emails we’ve received spiked. Sentiment on the forum was overwhelmingly positive.
What metric is left by which you want to measure the update’s success? The opinion of a handful of streamers you watch?
And if you want to think that they somehow represent the majority, from what i have seen most of the reception has been incredibly positive from videos i have seen of people playing the game for the first time last year. Reception got even better given the colossal disaster of Diablo 4’s launch and post launch updates. So, no idea what you are talking about here.
I picked three from the first page of search results on youtube and they are all positive. So i wonder which content creators are you watching that left a negative review recently.
You do realize FG released almost five years ago?
They have been updating it a good number of times since, just released a MAJOR update and have another update in the works, all for free.
It may not have been things you liked, but it doesn’t negate the fact they happened.
Absolutely true… for you. That is entirely subjective.
That’s quite a lot of time spent on a game you don’t seem to enjoy.
Maybe it’s time to move on?
Really?
Because streamers are such paragons of integrity?
I can’t think of many metrics I would trust less.
It’s called a “loyalist pack” not a fundraiser. People who want to contribute to the game will but it because they want to see the game continue and flourish. Others will not. It’s a choice, plain and simple. It’s your choice to or not to buy it, but don’t get all huffy because people do. Crate could do the same thing on Patreon but choose to sell basically supporter packs on steam.
Bashing people for making choices based on preference doesn’t do anything except make yourself look poorly.
In the early 2010’s I watched a game lose five million players worldwide over poor gameplay and concept. This is just the nature of the beast: “you can keep some people happy some of the time, but you can’t keep everyone happy all of the time.” This is something the internet fails to do every day despite everyone wanting it to be “happy happy.”
