Crucible in V1.1.4.1 Discussion

[ya1]

There is no way we are adding more Crucible waves. Last time we did so, they were supposed to be a challenge, and the community complained about the difficulty until it became just another farming run. Shattered Realms remains as a supreme challenge.

Ok Just that there are so many bosses that don’t feature in the final waves…

BTW, the community will make everything a farming run. A guy just got to SR 85 on a binder with 1.6 armor and 2.8 da, killed celestials with no pots, etc. Another guy used a bag of tricks to keep Pyran performing in under 5 minutes. In the long run, you cannot possibly prevent some gamers from achieving unintended results. You think Sekiro (one of the best action games in the history imo) was intended to be cleared in 22 minutes?

Another BTW, SR is indeed a supreme challenge but only to a build’s defenses. Since results cannot he benchmarked, DPS is irreverent as anything more than just QoL. For players who prefer the offensive side of things - as well as a more accurate approach to gauging builds’ performance - crucible is still number one. So it would be really nice if 10 waves were added that would provide even more challenge to those aspects of the game.

But I get it! No means no!

[Zantai]

These were all named by devs. The remainder were not claimed so I named the rest and made one my namesake.
Archmage Aleksander
Benn’Jahr
Fabius Gonzar
Grava’Thul
Kubacabra
Moosilauke

You think Sekiro (one of the best action games in the history imo) was intended to be cleared in 22 minutes?

People don’t farm Sekiro…nobody cries when something in Sekiro is too hard and can’t be farmed reliably. Hardly a reasonable comparison.

[Ceno]

Moosilauke

Some more on this one:

Mount Moosilauke

[thejabrixone]

These were all named by devs. The remainder were not claimed so I named the rest and made one my namesake.
Archmage Aleksander
Benn’Jahr
Fabius Gonzar
Grava’Thul
Kubacabra
Moosilauke

On this topic, I read somewhere in ancient threads that you and the team have some kind of “rules” and patterns in naming the ppl and monster in this game. Can you share what’s that rules and patterns are?

[Zantai]

We do have rules for certain mob groups, yes, but no I will not share our work documents.

[ya1]

Zantarin is crap.

Alone, yeah, but in a combo with Kaisan and or Reaper can be deadly. His acid/vit stackable rr is probably the second strongest in the game (second to Anasteria’s) if I’m not mistaken.

Also, after a while in the game you can dodge his shotgun in your sleep but for beginners suicide by Shadow Strike is a very common sight.

Also, Zant (and Moose) is the worst thing that can happen when speedrunning crucible with things like Mortars or Totems. He hardly ever leaves the spawn zone.

It’s a finicky request but I’d give him some blink or something. Guy’s too slow. Or, more seriously, buff his pets. Or give him sth like that Arkovian Dirge summon. He’s a necromancer summoner after all but nobody ever cares about his pets unless as adcth meat.

EDIT: blink plus shotgun could be FUN!

[BOG]

Zantarin can still shotgun one shot you if you’re not careful. And also you can’t leech from him and summon number of skellies. Zantarin is still the weakest Nemesis, but still have defining mechanic.

He can oneshot you only if you’re melee AND pay 0 attention to his animation AND have no flat damage absorb like Inquisitor’s seal. And since he’s so slow and unwilling to engage you, you can leave him to his own devices while dealing with other bosses.
His damage is so pathetic, that you dont even need leech VS him. And you can leach HP from his adds, that he summons almost every second.
He’s not just the weakest nemesis, he is in his own league of weakness, weaker than half of bosses, actually.
I can understand, that you dont want him being buffed to Fabius level, and i agree, but still, he should justify “nemesis” status. Perhaps, nerf Fabius and like just a little bit, but bring Zantarin close to other nemesises.

[Ptirodaktill]

Zantarin is still dangerous tho, but it only takes a brain (and eyes) to nullify that danger. Zantarin is just a symbol of Zantai’s goodwill to us players. The guy is named after him. And he’s the cat among the lions of grava, Kaisan, reaper. Zantarin gives us hope that once we defeat him, it’s the first step towards defeating the other nemeses

What the hell am I talking about here. Zantarin is crap. Still, I don’t think he should be changed.

I remember old treads with ppl whining about oneshots from Zantarin. He could unleash excitement on you w/o any warning. I died more that once on that trick
I think he is second best nemesis from original game, with IM on first place. =)

[thejabrixone]

We do have rules for certain mob groups, yes, but no I will not share our work documents.

Damn you stingy!
I bet there’s some reference on porn also…

[x1x1x1x2]

I bet there’s some reference on porn also

Reaper of the lost is a reference to a story where a guy… reaps lost women.

Damn this is r/cursedcomments level of shit.

[Nery]

Reaper of the lost is a reference to a story where a guy… reaps lost women.

Damn this is r/cursedcomments level of shit.

I thought this is a serious topic? No, just reddit traditional discussion

Next thing in topic, Medea will split it in new discussion, where does Nemesis names come from? And then Zantai will close it, cause it run it’s course.

[medea_fleecestealer]

I won’t if you get back on topic so … hop, hop!

[mad_lee]

Back on topic. Giving Zantarin Blink ability with damage that will let him teleport on top of you and unload his big old shotgun sounds very interesting.

[thejabrixone]

Unless it’s telegraphed clearly, it will be a nightmare in a thick of battle with other nemesis

[mad_lee]

Well that will make him a threat at least. Iron Maiden blitzes you from off-screen, Fabius shadow strikes you from off-screen while Zantarin is always useless. But if he has the ability to teleport near you with some kind of a blast - that would be fun, imo. It would also make him less of a choir in Crucible.

[Relinfearous]

Making his summons sing is a cool idea.

[mad_lee]

Making his summons sing is a cool idea.

LMAO, I will live that misspelled “chore” just because your joke is so good

[BOG]

Well that will make him a threat at least. Iron Maiden blitzes you from off-screen, Fabius shadow strikes you from off-screen while Zantarin is always useless. But if he has the ability to teleport near you with some kind of a blast - that would be fun, imo. It would also make him less of a choir in Crucible.

There is a difference between challenging and retarded mechanics.
A small boss who charges on you and perform oneshotting skill, would be retarded in Crucible.

[Xervous]

if he charges and only after finishing the animation of the charge begins his windup that would be fine. You’d be given more time than an aleks meteor in such a case.

[BOG]

if he charges and only after finishing the animation of the charge begins his windup that would be fine. You’d be given more time than an aleks meteor in such a case.

Meteor doesnt oneshot though…