Crucible in V1.1.4.1 Discussion

[thejabrixone]

My opinion and thoughts is mostly the same as you, ya.

Wider enemies range will be interesting, especially gargabol. No slathsar though, that will be a nightmare for melee and ranger

[Cinder]

Yeah, I’d love to see Gargabol in there. He’s one of my favourite boss fights.
Maybe just replace Theodin with him so everybody stops complaining about Korvaak being too strong?

Reaper’s laps are quite awkward. But I don’t think it can be easily fixable, and it’s not a pressing issue for me.

Are you talking about those weird circles around e.g. the centre of the C. of the Dead he (and sometimes Kuba too?) runs/ran in after 1.1.4.0? Or was that corrected in the Hotfix (haven’t been able to play as much cruci since then)?

I also agree on Father Kymon’s jump attack being a little too strong. I haven’t really tried if it can be dodged reliably with a little practice like Aleks’s meteor though; because I would probably be fine with it in that case…

[ya1]

Are you talking about those weird circles around e.g. the centre of the C. of the Dead

I don’t think we’re talking about the same thing. When playing with Revenant, Reaper sometimes runs off to attack your skeletons which is normal. They’re targettable pets after all. But sometimes he makes a full circle around Crucible along the edges of the stage as if there was a skeleton standing next to each spawn zone.

[Nery]

Are you talking about those weird circles around e.g. the centre of the C. of the Dead

I don’t think we’re talking about the same thing. When playing with Revenant, Reaper sometimes runs off to attack your skeletons which is normal. They’re targettable pets after all. But sometimes he makes a full circle around Crucible along the edges of the stage as if there was a skeleton standing next to each spawn zone.

Yes, two different things, both are hilarious. Reaper just makes lap of honor before attacks you, kinda pump fake

Cinder is probably talking about CoD, when you stand between the banner and the pillar center stage and that confuses Nemesis like Reaper and Kuba.

[Pareto]

I’m not sure whether this is something that was changed in 1.1.4.0 or already addressed, but the new (?) Mad Queen gave my casters a lot of trouble, far more than any individual nemesis. Even with MoE and Nullification lined up, I ended up being bursted from mid-range quite a few times.

You know what Crucible needs? Ancient Grove enemies. Get Big Fire Tree and Fumble Giant Snake in there.

The issue of some hitherto absent enemies being too hard or spoiling Crucible speedruns could be addressed by adding them as Extra Spawn, which hasn’t seen much of an update in FG, as far as I can tell.

In general, since Extra Spawn is seldom used in speedruns or when farming, we could significantly bolster its difficulty level.

Maybe even, crazy thought, adding 10 new waves. With 180 featuring a celestial.

Ten new waves sound like a lot of work, but I wouldn’t mind a single bonus wave (with no extra loot) where a non-nerfed Lokarr comes along with a few more enemies. It’d certainly be more fitting than facing him in the campaign.

[ya1]

Ten new waves sound like a lot of work,

I don’t know but I think it wouldn’t require any new creative work. Just new mobs on old templates. It would take selecting the right mobs which isn’t easy but I’m sure community would be more than happy to pitch in with ideas.

[Zantai]

Based on the discussion here, we’ll be making the following adjustments to the Crucible and Shattered Realm:

[Crucible]

• Updated spawn distribution for several waves above 151+
• Updated monster Threat generation to hopefully reduce behavior of remaining within spawn areas.
• Reduced the effectiveness of Fabius’ Veil of Shadows in the Crucible
• Reduced the effectiveness of Kaisan’s’ Eldritch Bolt in the Crucible
• Reduced the effectiveness of Valdaran’s Lightning Bolt in the Crucible
• Fixed an issue where Korvaak would become invulnerable in the air without casting anything, in the Crucible. He will no longer perform this animation at all.
• Aetherial Ascended and Korvaak’s Chosen now have reduced Elemental Resist scaling with level in the Crucible.

[Shattered Realm]

• Mazaan now warns players using Celestial Waystones that they are entering incredibly challenging Shards not for the faint of heart. Players that proceed beyond Shard 60+ should be doing so knowing that they will be met with encounters that will test their limits, eventually reaching the point of unfairness.
• Reduced the effectiveness of Fabius’ Veil of Shadows in the Shattered Realm
• Reduced the effectiveness of Grava’Thul’s Aura of Oppression in the Shattered Realm (this is already the case in the Crucible)
• Reduced the effectiveness of Kaisan’s’ Eldritch Bolt in the Shattered Realm
• Reduced the effectiveness of Valdaran’s Lightning Bolt in the Shattered Realm

There is no way we are adding more Crucible waves. Last time we did so, they were supposed to be a challenge, and the community complained about the difficulty until it became just another farming run. Shattered Realm remains as a supreme challenge.

[Snazzblaster]

Ooh you guys just got patchnotes, don’t ruin it now

[Xervous]

Could be a mod made for it but to what purpose? In the current forum climate it would either do more harm than good, or just sit unused.

[Rhylthar]

Thanks @Zantai

[Nery]

Thanks, @Zantai , these changes will help significantly! Especially with reducing sudden deaths, when you can’t react

[Dmt]

Can you pls reduce the effectiveness of Grava’s fumble in SR? It makes fighting him lke russian roulette - whether you are lucky enough to hit him through all misses (while Grava himself has very powerful melee damage)
Edit: or at least make his fumble pools static

[BOG]

Some Aetherial heroes having that annoying invulnerability versus Elemental damage sometimes (already discussed and you promissed to decrease their elemental res)

It’s because they have good chance to get clad in rare gear with resistance bonuses. I agree, it’s really distressing. Especially when i cant deal any damage to a “hero” despite having -110 resist reduction!

Also, i feel like Zantarin doesnt justify his “nemesis” status anymore, with all other nemesises buffed. Now, Zantarin feels like a fat trash mob, who poses zero danger.

Can you pls reduce the effectiveness of Grava’s fumble in SR? It makes fighting him lke russian roulette - whether you are lucky enough to hit him through all misses (while Grava himself has very powerful melee damage)
Edit: or at least make his fumble pools static

I’d say more - due to nasty fumble/impaired aim, i play only casters now. Because they are immune to that imbalanced shit!
Really, casters have an unfair advantage due to that fact.

[Dmt]

I’d say more - due to nasty fumble/impaired aim, i play only casters now

Yep, I have three main builds now. 2 of them are casters

[mad_lee]

Reduced the effectiveness of Grava’Thul’s Aura of Oppression in the Shattered Realm (this is already the case in the Crucible)

I felt like that part of his power was brutal but fair. It makes sense for a huge demon like that make feel everybody small and weaker then they usually are around him.
However his Nullification ability feels like a twist in a B-movie when a simple beast suddenly starts shooting rockets out of his arms.

[x1x1x1x2]

Also, i feel like Zantarin doesnt justify his “nemesis” status anymore, with all other nemesises buffed. Now, Zantarin feels like a fat trash mob, who poses zero danger.

Zantarin is still dangerous tho, but it only takes a brain (and eyes) to nullify that danger. Zantarin is just a symbol of Zantai’s goodwill to us players. The guy is named after him. And he’s the cat among the lions of grava, Kaisan, reaper. Zantarin gives us hope that once we defeat him, it’s the first step towards defeating the other nemeses

What the hell am I talking about here. Zantarin is crap. Still, I don’t think he should be changed.

[Nery]

Also, i feel like Zantarin doesnt justify his “nemesis” status anymore, with all other nemesises buffed. Now, Zantarin feels like a fat trash mob, who poses zero danger.

Zantarin is still dangerous tho, but it only takes a brain (and eyes) to nullify that danger. Zantarin is just a symbol of Zantai’s goodwill to us players. The guy is named after him. And he’s the cat among the lions of grava, Kaisan, reaper. Zantarin gives us hope that once we defeat him, it’s the first step towards defeating the other nemeses

What the hell am I talking about here. Zantarin is crap. Still, I don’t think he should be changed.

Zantarin can still shotgun one shot you if you’re not careful. And also you can’t leech from him and summon number of skellies. Zantarin is still the weakest Nemesis, but still have defining mechanic.

BTW you said Zantarin is named after Zantai, Grava obviously is , but are any other enemies named after people?

[mad_lee]

Zantarin is still dangerous tho, but it only takes a brain (and eyes) to nullify that danger. Zantarin is just a symbol of Zantai’s goodwill to us players. The guy is named after him. And he’s the cat among the lions of grava, Kaisan, reaper. Zantarin gives us hope that once we defeat him, it’s the first step towards defeating the other nemeses

LMAO, you almost made your self believe with that b/s rant

[x1x1x1x2]

BTW you said Zantarin is named after Zantai, Grava obviously is , but are any other enemies named after people?

IIRC, when a nemesis is made, one of the devs choose the name for it. Zantai’s named the deaths vigil nemesis after himself, grava did the same for his assigned guy. The others just didn’t follow suit. Tho I think kuba and alex have names resembling the ones who named them. I can’t memorize the crate roster tho.

[toapeiron]

Kupa sounds like a bastardization of “El Chupacabras”, the mythical creature.