Developable scenarios for a new expansion?

Yes, that’s the south bridge. People keep asking about it since this area was supposed to be down there.

Camera angle is one of the reasons for not going that direction.

Well then, if that’s the case you are being very confusing…

Why would it be accessed by repairing a bridge that you would have already repaired LONG ago. Well before you ever complete AoM content, that’s for sure.

Just to clarify, this is the “West” bridge:

This is the “South”:

Yep, that south bridge is the one I meant. I thought that other bridge was north. Looks like I need to get a new mental compass. Using a portal instead of fixing a bridge is maybe a better idea, like Forgotten Gods.

I don’t think that “Ideas” are the issue here. I’m sure Crate / Zantai but mostly medierra have enough lore and ideas in their head for possible additional Content and obviously also for an “Sequel”. The three reasons why we most likely won’t get another expansion is due they might be burnt out of working on GD and ARPGs in general for such a long time, shifting their attention to the town builder game and also it’s an matter of how successfull FG is.

Figured ya had it mixed up :wink:

But ya, as noted already: at this point don’t put much hope down for a 3rd expac. All signs given so far indicate that there probably isn’t going to be a 3rd. Zantai was actually giving those signs well before FG release.

It’s always possible, I suppose, that they could be cooking another as a surprise behind the scenes (they did it to us after AoM, actually, by announcing work on FG 3-4 months or so after AoM release) but as it stands right now I’m going to say, unlikely.

Of course it’s always possible the April Fool’s 2017 thread might become reality. :upside_down_face:

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I think that two expansions is enough, and Malmouth Steelcap District and Four Hills Mines already cover the concept of industrial zone and mine respectively. It sounds like a nice idea for a mod, though.

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Im all in for another expansion and support this 110% they will have my money guarenteed with loyalist packs alone so another expansion is my money in their pocket no question, though Id rather see it taking advantage of all that open water area in the middle of the map- perhaps a bunch of islands and raft-towns, with an “undersea” roguelike dungeon. And a Monk class, but yeah I GET IT, its unlikely- cant stop me from hoping and wishing and dreaming though.

Id prefer this to a sequel since my machine is old and i dont have the funds to get a new one and wont for some time, which is something a sequel would likely require unless it used the same engine with minimal upgrades to minimum recommended specs. Ill be playing Grim Dawn long after crate moves on to other things. It is a classic in my mind, on par with other classics in the genre like D2. Ive gotten equal pleasure and joy, if not more, from GD than I did from D2, which was a game that really set the standard for ARPGs for years, for me. GD is now the standard I measure other ARPGs against.

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To add to this, another expansion would just make the game feel bloated and it’s already teetering on the edge of that. Any major content addition and even just one playthrough would be way too long.

Things coming to an end in a game, or any other piece of media really, is a good thing.

I dont agree with this. When a game is good you can always work with more material, so long as the foundation holds which its done. I eat through all the material in GD so voraciously it wouldnt feel bloated to me even if they made TWO more expansions.

That said, im definitely not thinking about Crate’s side of things- theyve definitely poured so much time and work into GD, and it shows (which is why its so awesome). Im an artist and i know after too much time spent on one project, i need to move to something else for a while. I get it, i do, but im just saying for ME, I disagree- the game doesnt feel bloated to me at all. It feels full, but not bloated. And it would still feel full and not bloated with another expansion or two… To me.

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Aetherials and Chthonians are being saved for a sequel, so no expansion that actually continues stuff established in the base game (AoM continues Aetherials, FG follows up on the Kymon’s Chosen questline). The only thing they can do is stuff that hasn’t been setup in the base game, stuff that has nothing you have been doing. And that’s honestly boring.

A common complaint people are starting to have is that even just one playthrough is starting to become too long, any more expansions and this would be just exarcebated. Plus there’s the fact the more expansions you do, the less they less because people start to lose interest in the game the more expansions are made. So from a financial standpoint there’s not much payoff.

And it has been brought up above, if people want more content just mod it.

I am in two minds as to whether another expansion would make this game actually feel bloated?.

There is a huge mixed player base in this game out there. You have your classic RPG players who focus on the story,lore and character progression and thus enjoy long playthroughs with each new character. You have the power seekers who want to get early god-like status and will play in the endless dungeons like Crucible and Shattered Realm to max out a character. You will get some theory crafters who use calculators like GrimTools and GrimStash to envisage their build and instantly equip it to start testing and playing. Each play style is your own personal choice and is not constricted or limited by this game by any means. Grim Dawn currently has had two very successful expansions of AOM and FG. If you look at the game’s history, GD came from the Titan Quest engine. TQ has now had three expansions. ie. “Immortal Throne, Ragnarok and Atlantis” and a single playthrough of full TQ, trust me makes the current Grim Dawn world look like a walk in the park to complete. Yes, there has been positive and negative comments on the expansions in TQ, as we have also had with the GD expansions, but both are still here with us today, and both are extremely good RPG games. The fact that TQ still has a huge RPG fanbase after all these years and the size of the world is a plus and not a minus must count as something when we consider if expanding the GD world is a bad thing?

TQ currently feels extremely bloated with all expansions and takes way longer to achieve the same Grim Dawn achieves with much less time. And you can’t even skip expansions to go to the next difficulty or skip to Legendary, you have to do everything in every difficulty.

I’m one that does everything in every playthrough in Grim Dawn and even i think what was done in TQ was far too much. The game is far too long. In a game that actively encourages multiple alts, having your game take too long to beat with just one character is a bad thing. It will exhaust the player.

Financial and commercial point noted, but please let’s not let this gem degenerate into what Diablo 3 became as a 10 minute arcade game. There are still real RPG players out there that relish in the journeys.

Never got exhausted in Diablo 2 or Balders Gate, but hey if that is the way the world is going - so be it - the times are a changing :open_mouth:

A good point about modding though. I have never used one for fear of breaking my game, but very viable if they can persist thought patches etc.

What exactly do you imagine you are going to break? It’s an extremely simple matter to back up any characters you roll (plus mod characters are separate from main campaign characters unless you force it).

Worried about breaking the actual game? That’s not even something to sweat. Nothing can be broken that a cache verification won’t fix - at the utmost extreme a reinstall will fix it as well. Neither of which are going to affect your actual saves (especially if you are manually backing them up).

It’s an unfounded fear that anyone who understands how it all works wouldn’t even waste time considering it as a thing that could actually happen. In fact, there is more fear and more chance of Crate doing something to actually break your game for you than there is that modders are going to do anything to irreversibly break it.

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I think it’s difficult to compare TQ’s expansions to GD’s. After all there was a gap of over 10 years between the original game/expansion and the 2nd/3rd expansions. Plus completely different people making them. That’s not the scenario we’re talking about here.

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I don’t know. I’m split on this Topic. Because if it comes down to this “bloated” Argument i feel differently. For me there is never “enough” content for Games which i love… they could like WoW throw another 4-5 Expansions out, and i would still play Grim Dawn to no end… and wouldn’t feel overhelmed or “bloated”.

However besides that, i’m also someone who supports the Idea of Developers have their freedom of creativity, and after working so many years no GD and ARPG’s in general, i see why they are burnt out on this and prefer to do something else. And if i look at Runic Games with their Game Hob as example, it’s not like a change of pace will mean a leak of quality, because while i understand that Hob wasn’t a game for the ARPG crowd… the Game itself was absolutely great and an amazing gift before RG was closed down. I mean this Town Builder stuff is not my cup of tea, and i can’t promise that i will like the Game at all, but only because of that it doesn’t mean it won’t be a great game or so. It could actually hit the market more than another ARPG (expansion) and give crate more success, while they could enjoy to work on something entirely differently. (Still hope Grim Dawn 2 might be thing in the distant future)

Also you shouldn’t forget that also the financial aspekt is important too. Sure there is a core audience which might still buy an third expansion, but if this justify to spent ressources on it… that’s something only Crate can say.

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The char saves are not the issue here as I do back them up, it is the dread of having to reinstall the entire game on steam via the internet as it will impact my monthly cap, Grim Dawn is not too bad size wise in this respect compared to lots of the other impossible GByte hungry intensive games for me to install, but it is still something I don’t want to risk for some mod that I want to look at and it breaks my current install. Sorry, sadly, some countries and providers do not have the luxury of cheap hispeed internet connections that others do, :frowning: