Endgame balancing problem

[sir_spanksalot]

Of course. The way I see it - SR is the yardstick but which endgame tanks should be measured, and crucible the yardstick by which endgame DPS specs should be measured.

2 completely different things. Problems arise when a DPS spec is just way too resilient (e.g. old school warborn warlord), or when a tank does way too much damage (e.g. old school octavius)

[ABCbarbecue]

Yes that’s valid and supported by the codes.

[grasida]

I think Zantai posted something about no further unique rewards after SR 60. That doesn’t mean no change in the rewards at all – you can get bigger rewards that aren’t unique – but you don’t get anything past SR 60 that you couldn’t get from just repeating 55-56 or whatever more frequently.

[Maya]

Of course. The way I see it - SR is the yardstick but which endgame tanks should be measured, and crucible the yardstick by which endgame DPS specs should be measured.

2 completely different things. Problems arise when a DPS spec is just way too resilient (e.g. old school warborn warlord), or when a tank does way too much damage (e.g. old school octavius)

I agree. Naked Crucible (with extra spawns obiously :3) is also decent for tanks if you want better consistency in terms of challenge since SR’s difficulty can be quite random.

[ABCbarbecue]

Yes I saw something about it, but I cannot find the post. Therefore I don’t know exactly what was said.

[Maya]

Also, on the topic of pets, a relevant but short thread incase there are nerfs on the horizon: Pets and Crucible

Also note that I am not aware of any other Pet build even touching the 6 min mark in the Current Patch and even the one in the above thread is from a few patches ago, before Crucible got a difficulty upgrade. So I don’t know of its current times.

As for SR, all my builds are capable of SR 75+, but that is on SC and you can still get boss+mutator combos that are impossible to beat. Also, aggro abuse…

[powbam]

@ABCbarbecue

Click the sidebar as shown in this screen to go to the first post -

Then find and click on Zantai’s icon. His “card” will popup and then you click the button as shown in this pic -

To view all posts made by Zantai in this thread.

[BOG]

I would like to know the trick to doing this. I always try to pull them one by one, but I cannot do this reliably. With some combos I find it is impossible.

In SR 75-76, strong builds can manage most bosses 2 at the time. Though in 95% cases it’s very possible and kinda easy to pull them 1 by 1. And in rest 5%, 4% would be 2 bosses you can manage.
The trick? On “lava” arena, just move a bit forward, and you’ll pull 1 boss. Then move right and pull another.
On “shrine” arena move left (right) to the wall and (maybe) a bit forward. and you’ll pull 1 boss.

[ABCbarbecue]

Thanks . I know how to trace his replies but surprisingly it’s not there

Zantai

but I still found it.

[AlkamosHater]

I think Zantai means that “unique rewards” is just SR set which last piece is on 60 shard. Random purples/MIs drop more often in higher shards for sure.

[medea_fleecestealer]

Huh? It’s in the 2nd post doing what powbam said to find it. Using the other method of searching from his icon as shown will call up all the messages he’s posted which would take longer to find the one you want.

Didn’t realise that trick btw @powbam. Need you to finish off that Discourse tutorial you were writing. Post haste man, post haste!

[sir_spanksalot]

But in Crucible mobs/bosses charge at you all at once, and in SR you can pull them 1 by 1 or with smaller packs. This makes a HUGE difference, so no, Crucible 170 is far harder than SR 40-50.

I would like to know the trick to doing this. I always try to pull them one by one, but I cannot do this reliably. With some combos I find it is impossible.

[1.1.4.2] Belgothian Blademaster DW tank 100SR/Celestials

So basically, monsters vision range (our main weapon in agro abuse tactic) depends not only about what they see but also about what you see. If you have your camera turned on south they have like ~50% worse vision sight (game is made for north settings). You have much more options to manipulate them, you don’t need even to move, just rotate upper right/upper left corner of your screen to the boss which you want to fight first. If you accidentely make agro on two bosses, rotate your camera to south on them fast, you can stop them mid-walk. It works during fight too but you have to make distance very fast, it works most likely on lava map. Next advantage you have - fighting with camera on south you have much more space for kiting and being undetected by other bosses.

Corner glitch:
I don’t have picture for that yet but on conclave map go northest side and hug corner on the left, I guess you know where it is. Boss which you want to make glitched must be right under your foot.

1. Grava’thul won’t use his fumble pools and nulify, he will rarely even autoattack.
2. Alexander won’t cast meteors and spawn crystals.
3. Zantarin and Valdaran will totally freeze and ignore you if they are not bosses you are fighting with.
4. Works for more monster types too probably but didn’t use it much, basically only when I failed agro abuse in some cases and I hope for at least one kill before dying.

It’s some magic place because I couldn’t find anything like that anywhere else, tryied a lot. It’s also bad place for inquisitor mastery because sometimes (well, often) you can’t place seals here for some reason.

///10char///

[AlkamosHater]

This, no point to play boss rooms with basic camera settings anymore.

I would add to it that’s it’s better to rotate camer with bottom corners sometimes, depends of boss/room/positions etc. Sometimes bosses are stacked on each other so to not pull them all, try to walk slowly with south camera, pull one boss, blink with mobility skill, he will stop. Lure him a little but do not fight, just reposition him. You can then go for other harder/easier boss from another direction with smartly operating camera.

[BOG]

Corner glitch:
I don’t have picture for that yet but on conclave map go northest side and hug corner on the left, I guess you know where it is. Boss which you want to make glitched must be right under your foot.

1. Grava’thul won’t use his fumble pools and nulify, he will rarely even autoattack.
2. Alexander won’t cast meteors and spawn crystals.
3. Zantarin and Valdaran will totally freeze and ignore you if they are not bosses you are fighting with.
4. Works for more monster types too probably but didn’t use it much, basically only when I failed agro abuse in some cases and I hope for at least one kill before dying.

It’s some magic place because I couldn’t find anything like that anywhere else, tryied a lot. It’s also bad place for inquisitor mastery because sometimes (well, often) you can’t place seals here for some reason

I dont abuse that, lol. I only use obstacles to get rid of Gravathul’s “balls” after he launched them, but i’m 100% sure this is legit and intended. I use corners only to PULL bosses, not to facetank them.

[sir_spanksalot]

I dont abuse that, lol. I only use obstacles to get rid of Gravathul’s “balls” after he launched them, but i’m 100% sure this is legit and intended. I use corners only to PULL bosses, not to facetank them.

Yeah. I think it’s cheesy as hell too.

I just by and large dislike SR because I find it too…I don’t know what the right word is.

Some combination of tedious/cheesy. Just my opinion though. Not a statement about you or anyone.

[Nery]

I just by and large dislike SR because I find it too…I don’t know what the right word is.

Chore?

But deep SR is more or less how to cheat enemies or just build unkillable tank and pull them 1vs1 or 1vs2 at most. SR set Infiltrator up until 80 can beat any combination of 2x enemies with little bit of skill of course.

[sir_spanksalot]

Chore?

A sisyphean task would be closer.

[Nery]

Chore?

A sisyphean task would be closer.

Ancient Greek story

-Hey, Sisyphus you are rolling this stone again?
-Shut up, you motherf*cker Oedipus!

But nice analogy

[sir_spanksalot]

@nery: https://imgur.com/gallery/WUKgr

Best essay I’ve ever read about oedipus.

Click on the link. I promise you that you won’t regret it.

Just thank me after.

[AlkamosHater]

Corner glitch is very cheese but it’s not gamechanger and it’s not needed at all. I have used it only for last 1v1 when I was too lazy to dodge grava’s spells, kuba’s pools etc.
Next thing is that it doesn’t work for some casters and inquisitors, you can’t place seal here for some reason. It’s just locked. At least it was some time ago, maybe possible to change with camera perspective.