[Feedback] Nemeses density can still be ridiculous at normal chunks in Shattered Realm (w/video)

[tqFan]

Because for farming you wanna avoid them anyway: they give less meter than trash for the time it takes to take them out.

It must be mentioned that not only meter/s is lower but you also risk death more. You naturally develop a habit of going around them.

[x1x1x1x2]

The most dangerous enemies in SR are random damaging crystals

Super fucking true

[Zantai]

Which clearly shows that you are a beginner with no knowledge or experience about Shards or Crucible and lot of stuff in the game.

Do you have any method of forming an argument that doesn’t involve denigrating the other person?

At Shards 60+, you have a chance of spawning up to 4 Nemesis bosses on a floor. This is entirely in line with what you may encounter in the Crucible at similar difficulty. And since difficulty goes even beyond that in the Shattered Realm, seems perfectly fair that it gets even more ridiculous.

You would have absolutely hated an earlier iteration where mathematically it was required to kill at least one Nemesis on higher shards. But that would be effort and slow down clear times!

[mad_lee]

Do you have any method of forming an argument that doesn’t involve denigrating the other person?

Well have you read the argument to begin with? I think I was as polite as possible given that the dude gives unsolicited advice about the stuff he himself admitted he doesn’t have a clue about.

At Shards 60+, you have a chance of spawning up to 4 Nemesis bosses on a floor. This is entirely in line with what you may encounter in the Crucible at similar difficulty. And since difficulty goes even beyond that in the Shattered Realm, seems perfectly fair that it gets even more ridiculous.

You would have absolutely hated an earlier iteration where mathematically it was required to kill at least one Nemesis on higher shards. But that would be effort and slow down clear times!

So Nemeses spawning in those quantities and blocking the way is something that was meant to be like that? Well then, thanks for clarifying at least.

[Zantai]

I was as polite as possible

gives unsolicited advice

Yes, sometimes people forget that there’s nothing left that anybody could teach you about the game. Though I’m not sure at what point in his post he was giving “advice”.

[mad_lee]

Though I’m not sure at what point in his post he was giving “advice”.

Well have you read the argument to begin with?

I was referring to his feedback here.

[Zantai]

I was referring to his feedback here.

Yes, I read it, then I moved on with my life cause that was two weeks ago.

[Nery]

I had few times in SR multiple Nemeses like Grava and Kaisan all together in small and narrow corridor, usually mixed with healers or Arcane mobs. It’s nightmare rollercoaster ride trying to run from the red balls of Grava and purple balls of Arcane mobs, while Alex is targeting you with one shot meteor attack and if you decide to hit something, boom it’s healed instantly by some support mob hiding in the corner.

I know deep shards are supposed to be random and unforgivable but when you are out of luck it could be frustrating experience.

I wish luck and longevity of peoples keyboards.

[grey-maybe]

I know deep shards are supposed to be random and unforgivable but when you are out of luck it could be frustrating experience.

The truth is - when you play deep SR, you’re not actually playing a game, you’re playing against it. Which is fine only for very small percentage of people.

[Ceno]

Would like SR runs to be more normalized.

One of the selling points of SR is its randomness. To patch out the “getfukked” possibility is to spit in the face of customers that wanted an unending randomly-generating dungeon and bought into FG for that reason.

Now, the expected counter-argument to that claim is “Well you can just as well leave such things for higher shards!”

To which my follow-up is this:

At what shard would you allow 4 nemeses then? Which shard should feel difficult? Four nemeses spawn in Crucible wave 170 too, so is that alright or too much as well?

[Superfluff]

I made a complicated drawing of what SR players generally do in every nemesis scenario and, all joking bellow aside, I would do and have done whatever the Nemesis layout patern.

It involves actually opening up the map briefly, for a second, the moment you see Nems on minimap to choose a good aggro path. Something you didn’t do even after dying. You went in, straight in the middle… over and over and over again which doesn’t look very good but you did it anyway and made a thread about it.

I called it GD tactics! Just because you plan it out a bit, it doesn’t mean it’s not a speed run, it means it’s a good speed. I called it speed run because it’s the only way I could explain what you did in that video over and over

[mad_lee]

I called it speed run because it’s the only way I could explain what you did in that video over and over

That wasn’t hard to guess. I only play when I create and test builds so I am always trying to push the build to the maximum to see if the build can take and to show how much build can take. So I know for sure that the less experienced players can make mistakes and still feel safe with the build, because they are going to use it for farming.

EDIT: Unless it’s not clear thread is not about discussing grim dawn shards tactics

[Superfluff]

That wasn’t hard to guess.

Was just being cheeky, stop being so fun

trying to push the build to the maximum to see if the build can take and to show how much build can take

then there is no problem here. It was your choice to dive in like that without forethought. Even in my, ahem, fringiest builds and runs, I don’t just dive in, and if do, its a risk I take and own it’s outcome be it good or bad

tactics

It’s very clear

i chose that word jokingly. Tactics is a big word for half a second of common sense that makes you not die in a run and do it in a good time.

[mad_lee]

Tactics is a big word for half a second of common sense that makes you not die in a run and do it in a good time.

And yet I do choose the worst ones. Because I am a lazy pilot and I like to rely more on the build rather than my skills.

[Superfluff]

Because I am a lazy pilot and I like to rely more on the build rather than my skills.

This doesn’t warrant a thread complaining about SR tho. It’s still your thing to own up to. A more inexperienced player would have shown a bit more caution than you because he respects SR 75 and is not sure what to expect

[mad_lee]

This doesn’t warrant a thread complaining about SR tho. It’s still your thing to own up to. A more inexperienced player would have shown a bit more caution than you because he respects SR 75 and is not sure what to expect

But yeah, I expect my builds to just tear thru normal chunks in SR75-76 or else they are not really worth my time. That just really fortified my lazy pilot playstyle. But hey, at least I keep producing consistent top builds, right.

[Maya]

4 Nemesis bosses?

I have no problem with that.

But god those traps are annoying as hell. Then you add in damaging ground on top of it. And then you add in Nemesis bosses like Kaisan, Moosi and stuff that spawn their own shit as if it was needed on top of all else. And for giggles, you also get the random arcane mob or healer in the middle of all this.

Then you take a heavy sigh and restart because it is not worth the headache.

While I don’t mind the challenge SR poses, some of the shards can get ridiculous with the layout and spawns.

Wish we could atleast kill the traps

[fordprefect]

I have already made this feedback in the past . These levels make very random experience of playing SR even less pleasant.

I have seen 4 Nemesis’ in a few runs also, it was kinda fun. And sometimes they don’t show on map until you’re really close, while kiting Grava once, I hit the Kuba; then I saw Iron Maiden and run the other way to avoid her, yeah it is hard to manage sometimes but I believe it is also thrilling so keeps the player going and keep them awake.

It doesn’t matter how much nemesis you encounter. The most dangerous enemies in SR are random damaging crystals

But the most annoying thing is this. And if I really ask devs to change something in SR, it would be more boss rooms, and can’t be able to have the same boss room in a row so challenge would be added variety and SR became a real test for builds. Since most of the players tend to choose specific boss rooms to take the video of their successful runs.

[Shadowpast]

I think I’m still back in 2019 because:

I can’t tell, for the life of me, why we even have all four bosses on the boss floor at one time when it’s become practice to pull one at a time for success.

Granted not everyone does this but I find the logic baffling.

I guess I will have to do this on high SR (where Crate has deemed that it’s not to be balanced)

Pull lever, one boss spawns at a time…same loot as normal, or

Pull lever, 4 spawn, extra chest(s) in loot floor

Lever for anything in between if you like.

Or have them spawn in sequence from spawn points like crucible…with so many seconds or something in between

Bad idea or not…It doesn’t change how odd this is

On topic - yeah screw them trap crystal nodes…4 nemesis non boss rooms have caused lots of deaths for me too. And since I am back playing HC and want to do SR 60 at least, it all makes a difference

[Duchy]

More boss rooms is a good idea.