[Feedback] Spam version of Blackwater Cocktail

BWC spam needs some energy sustain tbh.

It’s worse than DEE spam imo.

The only way I could sustain chaos BWC spam on a sorc with 10/10 mental alacrity, and seal of annihilation was to use dying god’s + Blood orb’s HP drain to keep me below 75% HP for as long as possible for energy sustain.

edit: to clarify, i was trying to keep arcane will up for as long as possible

I can’t imagine any other class using BWC spam without ulzuin’s buff.

Perhaps on vit bwc with all the DoT mods you get to stack on it, but probably not for other BWC damage types

It would make it OP imo because you can easily stack 6-8 pools and ADCTH the life out of everything harder than a thankless job + failing marriage

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Propose a solution then.

will add that to the op.

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I agree with enormous energy issues. played IK, spamming bwc consumes some unbelivable amount of energy so it’s hard to sustain even with Ulzuin.
Also, IK is very glassy set.
I suggest both giving it some more HP or phys res and probably 4% ADctH to BWC, as the sustain is really poor.

i think what BWC spam could use is a crit mod on demon fire tbh.

it’s hard enough to get points on demon fire on it as it is, so I don’t think it would make it unnecessarily OP.

The scaling imo shouldn’t be too high. Maybe 25% crit damage @ 22/12

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+1 to spammable BWC taking too much energy. Having levelled a build with it recently, I found myself taking energy potions frequently, I ended up swapping to using it transmuted and never looked back.

12/12/12 in the BWC skill line uses 88 energy per cast and 22/22/22 uses 156, it’s not like Demo gets a skill to help with energy either like some of the others. Compare this to a couple other mastery caster skills:

  • 12/12/12/12 DEE uses 73 energy per cast and 22/22/22/22 uses 134. More skill modifiers, less total energy.
  • 16/12/12 Frenetic Throw Phantasmal Blades uses 80.5 energy per cast and 26/22/22 uses 131. Same number of skill modifiers, less total energy. Can also leech energy naturally and gets energy absorption via Phantasmal Armour.
  • 16/12/12/12 PRM uses 88 per cast and 26/22/22/22 uses 158. More skill modifiers, same energy per cast. Arcanist has Mental Alacrity/IEE to make managing this easier.

-1 here however. I’m not a fan of the solution that people jump on of “give x caster skill weapon damage”. There are other ways of getting weapon damage on a BWC build should you want it, for example, several T1 devotion procs like Flame Torrent have it.

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you also don’t get to energy leech due to the lack of %WD.

Not to mention the clunkiness of the skill as well.

Reduce the energy cost of the skill or add mods that decrease its cost or both. There.

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giphy

Lol…how do you convince yourself you know so much more about endgame and then suggest shit like this with a straight face…

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What do you think about HP sustain problem? Rare BWC spam builds have to resolve to usual caster’s cheese like Bat and it’s honestly becoming annoying to use Bat everywhere. ADTCH mod is going to be too much?

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BWC spam it’s hard to work for two reasons:

  • sustain or lack of it. Your main attack will not have WD or in-built life steal. Furthermore Shieldbreaker isn’t groundbreaking defensive class and Infernal Champion set is little glassy and that’s probably the best BWC build.

I think defensive heavy combo like Commando or Purifier can stack enough defense to stay alive. That brings me to the second part:

  • energy consumption. Tough to cast BWC constantly. It’s too expensive to afford, unlike you’re Arcanist.
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I struggled even with purifier. :frowning:
Very low hp pool, paper thin with huge energy issues.

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Typo mate. Corrected it for you

I agree, weapon damage is too much. But you kept convincing yourself that Spam BWC is a viable build option, yet it’s 1.1.5.2 and here we are.

I think fluff was able to make fire BWC work with 4 buffs.

AFAIK, I’m the only crafter who’s managed to find a way to make BWC spam work at a competitively level without uluzin’s buff

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Tree of Life’s Healing Rain helps with both problems. (Yes, I know it’s out of the way for most BWC builds)

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I can totally see the energy struggle of Purifier. Probably Harp, 3x energy augments, 2x Creed cunnings and stuff like that can help but then it’s a question can you gather enough DA/OA/resistances?

OK have Presence of Virtue for better energy regeneration but Inquisitor offers the better defenses here - Seal, Censure, heal.

THAT is a possible solution for sure. have you done any testing with this? I know the chinese players love their ToL, but we are a bit more DPS orientated here in the forum.

Is the DPS loss worth the defensive gain/utility?

the another thing is that BWC-dedicated items have little support of Inquisitor, so I can’t sit safely in 22/12 Seal, e.g., and spam BWC, like I do with Stun jacks.

Yes, I used it on a Turrion’s lightning retal Commando. I’m not a Crucible player, but it worked well enough in SR. (at least as far as SR 65-66, need to test it further)

ToL is smooth but your IK build will have crumbs for DA :smile:

For other gear perhaps can work better. I have tried Tree on Stun Jacks build for example.