Could you please, please, please learn to spell Acid correctly? It’s driving me nuts and making it hard to read your posts and pay attention to whatever points your trying to make, and I can’t be the only one whose getting distracted by it.
I mean it’s right there in the images you posted!
He’s not a native english speaker mate, and he relies on third party translators to converse with all of us. My guess is that it’s an inherent spelling error in the translator he’s using.
Imagine if the primary language used in the forum was Hebrew, how difficult would it be to for you or me to communicate?
Sorry if you feel uncomfortable. Thank you for teaching me.
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Yes it doesn’t look nice to see typos but most of the people in the forum are from different parts of the world and are not native English speakers. So mistakes are acceptable if you can understand the point of their sentences.
And @xOMOCHIx feedback is spot on!
Starts writing in Chicken Scratches instead
On the topic, I see no reason why physical augments should give less flat than elemental ones. On the contrary, phys builds need to stack it higher than others because of the armor mechanics.
As for why the fire augment is worse than cold or lightning, also no idea. Lightning is best by far with flat oa and both flat and % dmg. Cold is ok - though I’d rather see flat da than 2% - but cold is kinda crap in general unless it converts from lightning so it deserves a good augment. The fire augment is quite terrible, and it’s often better to use elemental ones.
I’m curious about this. What about Whipvine Powder? Is it only a problem with augments? What about other sources of character-wide flat physical damage?
According to @ceno, it’s a problem with all sources of physical damage:
I’m not sure about flat damage from masteries (e.g. mogdrogen’s pact), but one would think that these sources of flat damage would be summed first before being gimped by enemy armor; and one would be wrong.
Each of these sources of physical damage will be individually reduced by enemy armor.
The same rule applies to conversion.
E.g: I’m using beronath reforged. I have 20 chaos damage, and 20 cold damage.
These 2 converted damage sources are likewise viewed as “independent” damage sources, and so will be separately reduced by enemy armor.
I wish I could find the thread (and it greatly surprises me that I can’t; perhaps it was purged in the forum move? But I recall both medierra and Zantai commenting in it…) but I don’t think this is necessarily true:
The general idea was that a ‘source’ would be separate skills or items. I think global buffs should still be added together, but rings/amulets/medals/belts/other armor/passives (devotion nodes are passives in disguise)/etc. are evaluated separately. However, if you had a dual-damage skill (Say, Cold/Chaos) and you converted both to Physical, I think they should sum together on that skill itself. Different damages on the same source should be evaluated at the same time.
Oh, I was referring to converting 2 different damage types to a skill like cadence.
E.g. The conversion from lethal assault on a cadence using Targo BM
In which case your evaluation is accurate.
I will note one thing, however, and that is that
this is patently not true, as the game (and enemy Phys resist) has been balanced around the aforementioned armor bug. Physical is “comparable” with other damage types (whether its high or low on the spectrum doesn’t matter, it’s not a weak anomaly), and to start changing values around the armor bug would have disastrously overpowering consequences. When I made an estimate some months/years ago, I believe I came to the conclusion that if the armor bug were fixed or Physical given values to compensate for the bug’s existence, Physical would be around 60-80% stronger (multiplicative) than it currently is. Yikes.
Having said all that, I still voted yes on the poll. Yesterday.
Meanwhile Physical Pets be like
As a non-pet player, yes, I’d assume they are afflicted the most by the armor issue. Not sure what the solution is that doesn’t overwhelmingly buff other archetypes via Phys->X conversion.
I assume giving armor shred to pets should work.
Would it? Because all sources are evaluated independently, you’d either need a helluva lot of shred or a helluva lot of % damage. Or both. Again, not a pet player, but I wouldn’t have pegged reducing enemy armor to be a reasonable solution. Even if you got rid of, say, 600 armor, enemies would still have much more than most solo sources tend to accrue on player builds. Though I can imagine some funny multiplayer SR strats where one pet deletes enemy armor and then a Cadence lad rolls up and removes screens from existence…
I mean, yes numbers would dictate effectiveness.
Giving +% physical dmg also should work since there aren’t any pet items that convert Pet dmg into Physical.
In my uneducated opinion, the solution ought to be IT damage.
Since DoT applied by multiple pets stack, this seems like the most straightforward solution
Something still doesn’t make sense to me.
Suppose a character has 2000% physical damage bonus total. Then 10 physical damage would become 10*(1 + 2000%/100%) = 210 damage. Typical armor values for endgame bosses are over 2000, so wouldn’t that paltry 210 damage get fully absorbed? What factor(s) am I missing here that would increase that damage by the order of magnitude necessary just to pass armor?
In fact as a general point, I (still) don’t quite get how players can hit up to 1 million crits from base flat damage totaling only in the hundreds or maybe around a thousand. I mean, that’s an over 1000x increase in damage. Where and how exactly does that come from?
After years of playing GD this is still a mystery to me.
It’s not about increasing armor beyond that point, it’s that armor is only 70% effective without +% Armor Absorption, of which all monsters only have 0%.
30% always gets through.
https://www.grimdawn.com/guide/gameplay/combat/#q19
Edit: In more mathematical terms:
If DMG > Armor, damage taken = (DMG - Armor) + ((DMG - Armor) * 0.3) = 1.3 * (DMG - Armor)
If DMG < Armor, damage taken = DMG * 0.3
DMG -> Incoming Damage
