Forgotten Gods Theorycrafting Thread

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Is the +40% Crit damage better than the offensive ability of Oleron’s Rage? I don’t actually know the math breakdown on what OA is needed to crit often. The +40% crit damage is meaningless if you don’t have much of a chance to crit in the first place. Trash mobs will probably die too fast for any of that to matter anyway, so it is really only relevant when talking about bosses.

IMO, Divine Mandate wins just because you get 10 extra points by taking it. Oleron’s rage is 32 skill points of investment (12 on the skill and 10 on mastery) while Divine mandate is only 12 points of investment cause you’re still getting Oathkeeper to 50 due to celestial presence.

[malawiglenn]

I’m wondering, why does Ulzaad full constellation grant green affinity in addition to violet? That’s ridiculous. If you are going to physical dmg constellation set, you hardly need green affinity (perhaps just for Hydra or Chariot or Kraken, but if you need them, you can find other ways to get green affinity).

Why doesn’t it grant blue or yellow affinity instead? Yellow affinity would be the best choice, it’d make constellation paths for physical builds (both tanky and attacking) much more versatile, assuming you now have a lot of choices of 3rd tier constellations (Oleron, Vire, Azrakaa in addition to the Obelisk).

It would make things too easy and OP if it granted blue or yellow instead of green

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It would make things too easy and OP if it granted blue or yellow instead of green

Would love it if it gave more purple tho. The route to Oleron really needs more love.

[Belzzzz]

So doing some theory crafting on an Eye of Reckoning/Auramancer Paladin and I can’t quite work out what is a better main hand item.
Malakor’s infusion which adds damage and additional RR to aura of Censure: https://www.grimtools.com/db/items/8447

Or Empyrions Mercy, which has its own damage aura: https://www.grimtools.com/db/items/12556

Technically the additional RR and Damage from Empyrions Mercy is more than Malakor’s, but Malakor’s gives me a temp buff that heals me every 8 seconds on enemy death as well as +3 to aura of censure which will likely add more RR to the skill itself.

The build is a Fire/Lightning build that will purely use EoR while weakening and damaging enemies with 3-4 Auras (Rune Armour of Ignaffar, Censure, Tainted ruby/avatar of chaos and Empyrions Mercy if I use it) and a few other skills depending on item buffs (might use Vire’s Might and Judgement to proc devotions on attack then spin until everything dies)

But what do people think are the ideal primary to use?

Using Scarab Carapace MI shield as my off hand.

You summed up the dilemma pretty well. You forgot just one thing, if you’re playing an Auramancer with proc’ items: another aura = another chance to trigger the procs. That’s why I think Empyrion is better. Just a tiny bit, but better.

If you intend to play a Fire/lightning build, I think Skybreach Bulwark is still better than the new MI: a nice proc’ and some really good stats for the build. This is my 1.1.0.0 version of my Aurmancer Purifier (Guide here).

Paladin Auramancer will be my first toon after release. I have 4 different versions to test, now that retaliation is a thing and with the addition of interesting new items.

[idontwannaknow0]

Would love it if it gave more purple tho. The route to Oleron really needs more love.

I really hope Oleron gets more love. I don’t like the sparkly waves of sand visual and it doesn’t feel right that something like that could even deal damage.

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Is it just me or did Bonemonger get buffed again? Bonus damage to Smite both on the ammy and the set now. AA Bonemonger is looking to be a great sleeper set. Just replace the pierce to vit on the proc and we’re done.

[malawiglenn]

I really hope Oleron gets more love. I don’t like the sparkly waves of sand visual and it doesn’t feel right that something like that could even deal damage.

I do not wanna feel a Martian Sandstorm in my face

[Victor_Brand]

I haven’t read all of the 80 pages, so, perhaps, the following builds are already discuissed.

Nothing spectacular, just Warlord Warborn tank:
https://www.grimtools.com/calc/lNkyAzqV

Also, elemental PRM Mage Hunter:
https://www.grimtools.com/calc/qNYYBbJN

Both builds use no greenies.

[malawiglenn]

I haven’t read all of the 80 pages, so, perhaps, the following builds are already discuissed.

Nothing spectacular, just Warlord Warborn tank:
https://www.grimtools.com/calc/L2JzDRD2

Also, elemental PRM Mage Hunter:
https://www.grimtools.com/calc/gZwk0oXZ

Both builds use no greenies.

Here is my Warborn tank without Markovian Defense https://www.grimtools.com/calc/wV1QpO7V

I might use the modifier though for 100% uptime with Markovian shield and Colossal grap gloves
https://www.grimtools.com/calc/RZRaWb0V

[Ptirodaktill]

Is it just me or did Bonemonger get buffed again? Bonus damage to Smite both on the ammy and the set now. AA Bonemonger is looking to be a great sleeper set. Just replace the pierce to vit on the proc and we’re done.

Bonus to Smite is pathetic :rolleyes: Set look usable on Apostate BH, trough I dunno how to convert remaining vitality on BH to aether.

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Bonus to Smite is pathetic :rolleyes: Set look usable on Apostate BH, trough I dunno how to convert remaining vitality on BH to aether.

https://www.grimtools.com/calc/8NKyvD8V Looks decent on paper tho.

[Ptirodaktill]

https://www.grimtools.com/calc/8NKyvD8V Looks decent on paper tho.

Keep in mind - you only do 176% WD with your AA. You can do the same as Ritualist and it look even better on paper - more armor, better skill point distribution, more %phyz resist, better WPS .:eek:
Im not even sure if Ascendacy worth it beyond onepoiner for builds that dont need retaliation.

[Victor_Brand]

Here is my Warborn tank without Markovian Defense https://www.grimtools.com/calc/wV1QpO7V

I might use the modifier though for 100% uptime with Markovian shield and Colossal grap gloves
https://www.grimtools.com/calc/RZRaWb0V

You sacrificed a lot acquiring 100% shield block chance. According to my experience that’s not necessary for a tank. Higher armor and damage give you more survivability than 100% block chance. Not to mention that higher dmg boosts your clear speed. (ATM I have such a tank, with 100% block chance, Anvil and Boar constellations; I cursed it when I met Kuba in Ancient Grove with it - I’ve spent about 5 mins killing that bastard. I’ll respec this build ASAP)

I prefer Oleron’s Rage over Divine Mandate in this case, 'cause tanks usually lack OA, it’s more important here. Moreover, I hate characters who crawl like a turtle, so +movement speed is a convenient boost. And 2800 armor is pitiful for a tank, alas. Tanks should have 3400+ armor.

Also I prefer Octavius Bulwark over Siegebreaker with Warborn tanks. With high armor you are tanky enough even without that phys resist from Siegebreaker. Octavius’ shield grants you % reflected damage reduction, which is great (the highest trauma dmg you get with this build is your own reflected trauma). You get also chaos res, which you lack, and, moreover, good trauma damage on the shield, which makes your blitz more pleasant. And up to 12% CDR. So, Bulwark of Octavius is a great shield for Warborn tank.

[malawiglenn]

You sacrificed a lot acquiring 100% shield block chance. According to my experience that’s not necessary for a tank. Higher armor and damage give you more survivability than 100% block chance. Not to mention that higher dmg boosts your clear speed. (ATM I have such a tank, with 100% block chance, Anvil and Boar constellations; I cursed it when I met Kuba in Ancient Grove with it - I’ve spent about 5 mins killing that bastard. I’ll respec this build ASAP)

I prefer Oleron’s Rage over Divine Mandate in this case, 'cause tanks usually lack OA, it’s more important here. Moreover, I hate characters who crawl like a turtle, so +movement speed is a convenient boost. Also, 2800 armor is pitiful for a tank, alas. Tanks should have 3400+ armor.

no idea which version you are referring to but I have not yet inserted Bloody crystals in all my old build sketches for FG.

Getting oleron require 10 more point though in the soldier mastery.
My current Markovian Witchblade do not need 5 min killing Kuba btw (and kills lokarr in 55 seconds or so)
https://www.grimtools.com/calc/r2B3jEWV
and this build
https://www.grimtools.com/calc/a2E8yY3N
has more wpn dmg etc then the Withcblade so I am not that worried

Perhaps I switch to Golem boots for one more armor proc (4.6k max armor)

I have also a sketch of a build with 8k armor xD

You will gimp dmg too much with Markovian defense without Markovian shield is my experience, having +350% physical damage and flat phys dmg on overguard really helps negating the -18% penalty.

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Keep in mind - you only do 176% WD with your AA. You can do the same as Ritualist and it look even better on paper - more armor, better skill point distribution, more %phyz resist, better WPS .:eek:
Im not even sure if Ascendacy worth it beyond onepoiner for builds that dont need retaliation.

I disagree. Ritualist has better raw damage on the AA itself (assuming savagery conduit) cause of transmuter. But Feral Hunger isn’t really that good in terms of damage seeing as there’s nothing to convert. The lifesteal is great but probably overkill. Smite has tons of flat damage support so it could balance out. I’m also not sure about ascension but there’s at least a bit of cdr to alleviate the downtime.

[Victor_Brand]

no idea which version you are referring to but I have not yet inserted Bloody crystals in all my old build sketches for FG.

Getting oleron require 10 more point though in the soldier mastery.
My current Markovian Witchblade do not need 5 min killing Kuba btw (and kills lokarr in 55 seconds or so)
https://www.grimtools.com/calc/r2B3jEWV
and this build
https://www.grimtools.com/calc/a2E8yY3N
has more wpn dmg etc then the Withcblade so I am not that worried

Perhaps I switch to Golem boots for one more armor proc (4.6k max armor)

I have also a sketch of a build with 8k armor xD

You will gimp dmg too much with Markovian defense without Markovian shield is my experience, having +350% physical damage and flat phys dmg on overguard really helps negating the -18% penalty.

I spoke of this current build:
https://www.grimtools.com/calc/m23KpYQ2
I didn’t notice exact time for killing Kuba, but that was too tedious for my taste. I consider this build as a failed experiment My Markovian Commando using Beronath’s sword experiences no difficulties killing Kuba, though.
Warborn variant of this tactitian facetanks Glad 170 even without 100% block chance.

And yes, I don’t keep Overguard 100% uptime. I take Markovian’s Devense in order to keep Overguard on when I need to facetank some tough foes. E.g. Warborn tactitian can facetank 2x Reaper AND Alexander simultaneously. The reason why I prefer to take Markovian’s Defense is that I’m not a good pilot at all, so I need a build which can just facetank foes under severe circumstances. In the main campaign, I resort to Overguard mostly when I suffer from reflected trauma. Or when I’m too lazy to run away from Gargabol’s volcanoes.

[malawiglenn]

I spoke of this current build:
https://www.grimtools.com/calc/m23KpYQ2
I didn’t notice exact time for killing Kuba, but that was too tedious for my taste. I consider this build as a failed experiment My Markovian Commando using Beronath’s sword experiences no difficulties killing Kuba, though.
Warborn variant of this tactitian facetanks Glad 170 even without 100% block chance.

And yes, I don’t keep Overguard 100% uptime. I take Markovian’s Devense in order to keep Overguard on when I need to facetank some tough foes. E.g. Warborn tactitian can facetank 2x Reaper AND Alexander simultaneously. The reason why I prefer to take Markovian’s Defense is that I’m not a good pilot at all, so I need a build which can just facetank foes under severe circumstances. In the main campaign, I resort to Overguard mostly when I suffer from reflected trauma. Or when I’m too lazy to run away from Gargabol’s volcanoes.

I was wondering which of the two builds I posted you were referring to

Yes that build you posted here is pretty low damage…

I use my Witchblade as a base-build for making a FG tank since that build seems to fit my “needs” so to say

[Victor_Brand]

I was wondering which of the two builds I posted you were referring to

Yes that build you posted here is pretty low damage…

I use my Witchblade as a base-build for making a FG tank since that build seems to fit my “needs” so to say

In order to theorycraft my Warborn Warlord, I used my Warborn Tactician:
https://www.grimtools.com/calc/lNkyArDV

I find this gear perfect for a Warborn build. This tactician owns everything and is very tanky. I expect Warlord to be even more damaging, however he might be a bit more “squishy”, if to say so. As my experiment with Markovian Tactician failed, I want to respec it back

I plan to have a Markovian Commando, an Octavius Tactician and a Warborn Warlord in FG.

[FieserMoep]

The Virtue Set is pretty much just about Aegis, is that skill so viable to just build around that or does one still need a potent Fall-Back live a heavily invested Righteous Fervor?

[Mauricius]

I will have to see if my Warlord build fits as a substitute for my Witchblade. No healing skill except for the circuit breaker Menhir’s Will. Of course I could take Menhir’s Bastion as a Relic, or a good rolled Ikrix scale. Maybe use a devotion skill like healing rain or Dryad’s Blessing.