Edit: missclick
I was thinking about making a much shorter video, that somehow condenses the entire series. It would serve better to make people that got tired of Diablo and PoE to give GD a try. If you have any suggestions or ideas, please let me know.
Only watched episode 6…
I’ve been visiting this forum and GD subreddit almost for 2 years. I’ve never seen community being toxic or elitist. Look at development updates or threads where people asking how they can improve their builds or explain game mechanics. Forum moderator (medea fleecestealer) always answering questions, community members greeting new players (look at threads of “D3 refugees”). If you don’t wanna look, I could post here some examples of GD community being helpfu and, especially, welcoming.
Most the toxic comments come from people who have tried to field certain… ‘ideas’, usually, and when they meet resistance to those ideas from community members for varying reasons then they tend to equate it as toxic.
In some cases, sure, some people can be at times if it’s an idea they really don’t want to see come to the game much less even suggested but overall the forums are pretty tame compared to most other places out there.
My opinion as far as people wanting to offer potentially controversial ideas (ie. secure servers etc) to the devs, just skip posting it to the community at large and use the No Reply Feedback Section of the forum. If you insist on public airing of feedback/ideas then try to have a little bit of a thick skin. This is the internet, after all, and not everyone is going to be keen about everything you have to say. Usually trying to front ideas that try to make GD in to another PoE or another D3 aren’t going to be popular around here. Something to keep in mind.
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The quotes are taken from negative reviews from Grim Dawn that I found.
And I give my response to them.
I would say that Grim Dawn official Discord and Steam are way more out of control. This forum is decent in my standards, because it is MY opinions and I have pretty high standards when it comes to computer game communities. I have also, as I said, studied negative reviews etc. And this forum is not THE community, it is one of many GD communities.
This is what I say about Official Grim Dawn Forum:
[b]Overall a good resource, but not much activity
There are some advice threads and ”beginner friendly builds”
(I would call them beginner builds for end-game actually)
There are also some knowledge compendiums for beginners
(not sure if up to date + much text)
Majority of the discussions are posted builds are aimed towards builds that can do Crucible on the highest difficulty and the last waves (many are made in Gdstash…)
Lots of elitists on the forum and Grim Dawn has actually some negative reviews that mention the Grim Dawn forum as their main disappointment of the game experience.
Beginners: post Grim Tool link to your build and be DETAILED[/b]
If you also look carefully, you can almost always see ME greeting newer players welcome and answer questions to beginners. I am about to publish more beginner friendly builds too (5-6 beginner friendly builds vs. 200-300 end-game builds are published in total here).
What should I say instead? “THIS IS THE BEST PLACE IN WORLD IT’S AMAZING”??? And why shouldn’t I wanna look? I have 10 times as many posts as you: I look at, read and comment on about almost everything here.
I could show you comments posted on some of the smaller GD discords etc that I am member in, what they have to say about GD official Discord and the forum (well, they are not positive).
Overall, GD community scores 5 out of 10 because there are some things that are good, some things that are bad, some things that can be better.
I would disagree heavily tho since you essentially base the opinion off a few negative reviews you likely seen. 91% approval rating on steam out of over 20,000 reviews… mmm do the math.
So, I’d contend that would be a bit false to put it up on there like that. You’ve also missed the tons of positive reviews I’ve seen over the years that say they love the community (my eyes have graced the large majority of reviews written there), as well as the people who have also said the same exact thing in threads on the Steam forum… so, there’s that.
As well as the tons of threads where people help with builds and technical issues. All of which you’ve likely never even seen.
It’s fine for the most part, but there are definitely a small handful of members who can sometimes come off as a bit…aggressive, especially when it comes to providing feedback for builds.
“This build is shit, this skill in particular is shit, and why would you even use this skill as this class? Why not take this [reasonably uncommon build idea] and just turn it into [generic meta build] instead? Playing weaker builds is stupid, nobody wants to play those.”
But yeah, for the most part we’re…probably pretty good? I’ve definitely seen worse communities. Much worse.
As for the videos, I might just give them a look later on.
The discord I don’t do but I can tell you that there aren’t many people who have read or responded or helped (and trolled at times, I can admit it) more on the Steam side. I read nearly every post that occurs there and the good majority here as well.
The forums are pretty damned active. 10 or 15 a day? Maybe on a slow day. Most days see much more going on than that tho. On both forums.
I also go over the review approval rating in the video. And Grim Dawn community was just one observable in the final summary scoring. Yes, there are reviews that are positive about GD community. But I have higher standards than that.
I did not base the 5/10 scoring based solely on the negative reviews but ON MY OPINION. Therefore, it is pretty hard to argue with me on that point, because it is my opinion. I have another opinion that Kebabpizza is the best Pizza in the world, do you wanna argue with that too and show me reviews on Kebabpizza written by Italian pizza chefs and food critics? Well, I don’t care about them because my opinion is still that Kebabpizza is the best Pizza in the world.
Another reason for GD getting negative score on the Community section is the imbalanced and laggy Multiplayer. Sure GD is not meant to be a multiplayer game, but from a Community perspective IT IS MY OPINION that a good MP option will boost the Community rating in my scoring.
I am also comparing Grim Dawn communities that I am involved in with the Diablo II communities that I am involved in. And it is MY OPINION that GD communities (those that I am active in) are a bit behind the Diablo II communities (those that I am active in).
Keep in mind, opinions might come and go, the videos are 2 months old. Perhaps I would give GD communities 6/10 now? Well maybe because I am not active in GD official Discord anymore (that would actually make the score go up even higher, perhaps we will end up at 7/10? LOL)
Everything i’m about to say is a bout this Forum. I dislike places like Discord because less pleasant people can better abuse a chat rather than a forum and are left unchecked, reason for which I have stopped frequenting general Discord after AoM launch.
In my opinion, 5 out of 10 is what you give to a mostly unpleasant community.
Something sounds really biased here to me. I’ve been on this forum for 2 years and I’ve seen members jumping in to help other players hundreds of times, especially when a memeber specifically asks for help and does not spew bile and acid at the game cause stuff is not working. And even then most members say: “Post your GT and we’ll see if we can talk about it”
At which point some do post their GT and the OP ends up improving the build or, refuses simply because the game is supposed to work as they say, at which point it doesn’t much matter what they say any more.
Also questions about game mechanics are kindly answered with abundance of details on the forum.
Just because there are maybe a couple of members that answer in an elitist manner, giving 5 out of 10 to one of the nicest communities is a bit much
Didn’t know having an opinion on a game is now considered “toxic” and “elitist”. C’mon, now people are just trying to find ways to call anything toxic.
A community having people that go a little too far is inevitable, it’s pretty much packaged with any community. Either ignore them or grow a thick skin, this just happens and there’s nothing you can do about it.
Even counting with Reddit, this community is easily one of the most conflict-free out there. You have the occasional scuffle here and there, but it’s really minor stuff. After i have seen some real bad communities, this one looks like one of those towns in the 50s where everyone is nice to everyone.
When I see something that’s false you can be sure I’m going to out it. As for Kebabpizza, never heard of it, never tried but as soon as I do I will let you know.
If you think 10-15 (what unit?) is much, and consider that “pretty damned active” then it is YOUR OPINION and that is MY OPINION that it is not very active (since I have a different standard than you)
Based solely on THIS FORUM I would rate Community 7-8/10 but I do factor in other measurables in that rating. Multiplayer being one of those observables.
I’ve actually taken issue with the toxic label for a while now. It’s usually the first slur people throw at game communities when they encounter resistance to their ideas. Just like the hater/troll tags it is often tossed out as a label meant to instantly discredit whoever the target is, as a way of basically saying “Nothing they say is good or relevant and can forever and always be ignored”.
Just another means to slander and discredit.
You mean “when you see something that you do not agree with, you are going to out it”
I don’t care about if you like Kebabpizza or not tbh.
Also, keep in mind, I have “made” pretty many people pick up Grim Dawn thanks to my warm recommendations of the game (perhaps not via this series, but via my general activity in D2 and 3 communities) You are picking about a very small part in my video series that took more than 20 hours to make and that I made about 2 months ago.
Next topic for debate is, what?
Neither do I 
In the case of ‘something I don’t agree with’ which is essentially referencing the whole Steam review / toxic community thing we were discussing… I’m going to have to heavily disagree and further push it more in to the fact realm if you really want to get down to it. I ain’t joking. I read it all there and when I say you’re mostly wrong on that count, odds are you are mostly wrong.
If you want to get really into depth on it we can do a blow by blow of thousands of reviews and posts I suppose :rolleyes:
Your pick… I’m not trying to single you out totally on this… don’t want you pointing the toxic finger at us now do we lol
So we should also measure how good Kebabpizza is by counting number of bad vs. good reviews? It does not work that way…
If you want, you could write a comment on the actual video that summarizes what you have written here today. I would actually appreciate that and I might even make it a sticky comment.