Grim Dawn from a Diablo II perspective - a complete video series

Me too, there are some nice QoL mods to Diablo 2 now, the most recent very popular one is called PlugY. Gives “infinite big” shared stash, and also have the Diablo Clone and Ybers in it plus one can make the ladder only runewords.

Recent? PlugY’s been around for years. I installed it when I tried out D2 around 2010-2011 and it was in existance well before then.

Anyone know how to get the multires to work? I tried this here…

But it just spits .dll errors at me. I think the last time years ago I tried this and ran in to the same problem.

Recent in Diablo II world is on another time-scale of course. Just like for an astrophysicsist, 200 000 000 years ago is “like yesterday”

I should have stressed that such mods have gained WIDE INTEREST in recent years. Mostly thanks to D2 streamers like MrLlamaSC and Dbrunski125.

I’d join either MrLlamaSC’s och Dbrunski125’s Discord channel and ask there.

https://discordapp.com/invite/0cdE0TjHEACCSO2L (hope link works)

5/10? What community is your example of 10? And what community is your example of a 1? I find it incredibly hard to believe you’re being objective if you score this community smack in the middle.

If 1 is where people get death threats and doxed for thinking differently, and 10 is where everyone is polite and friendly 99+% of the time (which basically doesn’t exist on the internet) then this community is probably more of a 7.5 or even an 8 when you take the aggregate of all encounters. (Don’t spend too much time in the skills/builds section where people are harsher because they don’t want misinformation or bad advice becoming mainstream). I also agree with pow that toxic gets thrown around the moment a passionate person gets pushback from a community they’re entering. Not to say that toxic communities don’t exist or that we haven’t seen bad behavior here, but it gets broadbrushed and said far beyond what is measurably true.

GD subreddit’s always looked kind to me. The Discord’s been cleaned up. I’ve played with many tens of strangers in random GD online lobbies and they’ve almost always been sweet or quiet. This part is the biggest surprise to me. I have heard people tell me in multiplayer as well about meeting random jerks, but even though I’ve played a ton of multiplayer with strangers its been a pleasant experience like 9/10 times.

And any part of this forum that isn’t about debating opinions is really a bunch of people being sweet to each other. As for sections about debating opinions and stances, they’re contentious by design and unless hateful I don’t think it should factor in so greatly into the aggregate score of the rest of the community.

And don’t get me wrong, the elitism bothers me too. There are more polite ways to tell people they’re wrong. Well anyway, that’s my piece.

Also regarding your video talking about the almost 8% that actually finished Ashes of Malmouth, that’s not a bad sign. Apparently it’s statistically normal across these kinds of games. I think one of the devs actually said that expected amount for beating ultimate vanilla was like ~3% so actually GD getting 5.2% is above average by almost half.

The reality is a lot of people these days buy a bunch of titles they don’t finish.

I also strongly agree that multiplayer is unbalanced beyond the pale. Mainly just the enemy hp is increased such a tiny tiny amount per additional player. I do want MP to be easier than single player, but not 10x easier.

I’m not put off by your scoring or anything either. I think you’re just a harsher scorer than I am. That’s why I’m curious what examples you have of games you’d rate a lot higher in some of those categories.

It depends first of what this community means, are you referring to Grim Dawn official forum alone? I did weight in also Grim Dawn on Steam and the Official Grim Dawn Discord.

Btw, did you watch the video? I also factored in Multiplayer into community and how focused it is on “beginner builds/guides” etc.

I did not even had objectivity as a goal, how many times do I need to write and say “this are MY OPINIONS”.

Yes, I am very harsh in giving out “points” in general.

As I have written here the past couple of hours, if I only took into account this forum under “Community” then Grim Dawn would have scored higher than 5/10.

I do not think there is a gaming community (that I am aware of) that would score 9 or 10 on my scale either so yeah I am a pretty harsh in general.

I guess my scoring at that time (+60 days ago) was based on “this is how a 10 point community for this game should be according to me” which I did not define. I did not define max score for ANY of the other categories either.

You are most welcome to comment on other things that I mention in the videos, this is “just” a slice of the pie. Why don’t u react when I ask myself “is Forgotten God expansion necessary at this point” and thus give Grim Dawn score 8/10 in “Development” category?

I did not watch all the videos, I watched that one video. And yes, I saw how you factored it in, I just think it’s unintentionally misleading for a “community” score. It comes off as though you’re rating the community itself even though it’s weighed by things like balance, multiplayer etc. Community and multiplayer should maybe have been scored separately, since community is the social aspect of the game. Though if you want to argue the quality of multiplayer factors into that social aspect more than I’d weigh it, fair enough. You have an ally in me in saying that multiplayer is way too easy.

Furthermore just because you state it’s your opinion over and over does not mean you can’t be criticized for how you form your opinions and how you communicate them. Reasoning and opinion can overlap.

However, no need to get defensive. Your “I do not think there is a gaming community (that I am aware of) that would score 9 or 10 on my scale either so yeah I am a pretty harsh in general” was all I was looking to hear. By that scale your score seems pretty fair. I was just asking so I can get a better read of how you score in general. My criticism was more along the lines of trying to inform you that even if you understand what your score means to you, you ought to consider how your score is going to come across to your audience. At least, that’s how I see it.

Either way, looking through the rest now. I like how in-depth the videos are.

I bunched multiplayer with community since multiplayer is - in my book - a social aspect of the game. Perhaps I could have separated that and thus have another category. But that could be said about the other categories aswell and then I would have had like 15-20 different subcategories to talk about.

I deserve that 5/10, i’m part of this community and in all honesty i sux.

Then you would be a 2 or a 3. 5 is middling. Lukewarm. A buttered piece of toast that you waited 5 minutes to eat.

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Have read the whole thread, so I know you haven’t been in the Discord for a while, but…

If you have any issues with the Community-run Grim Dawn Discord you are free to DM anyone on the moderation team (myself included) either here on the forums or in Discord itself, and we can work to resolve the situation.

I wouldn’t disagree that a real-time chat system is inherently going to be more inflammatory than a comment-chain forum, and the Discord has certainly seen its issues over the years. But as of late I think it’s been doing exceptionally well; an influx of new players to the Discord seems to be occurring at present (I… ahem I wonder why…) and longstanding veteran Discord members have been helping them out quite nicely, insofar as I can tell.

There’ve been a few bad eggs over the years and I’m positive there’ll be more, but I’m as sure of that as I am that the Discord community is in no way deserving of a 5/10 rating.

You are taking this 5/10 community rating way to serious guys.

I deleted the opening post LOL

Have fun

Rendering the whole thread useless so closing.