[Idea] Can Pierce/Physical/Bleeding caster off-hands have Cunning requirment instead of Spirit one?

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https://www.grimtools.com/db/search?query="pierce%20damage"%20"shield"&in_description=1&exact_match=0

There’s exactly one shield that has %pierce damage. And that’s for g&b attacker inquisitor.

You’re not wrong. Shields could be buffed for more caster pierce support. But

cough shields cough exist…

That quote doesn’t imply that.

[Dmt]

I like the idea to buff pierce/physical offhands.
Also, I think that caster pistols, that @eisprinzessin mentioned, should be buffed as soon as pistols are weaker then scepters or daggers

[Snazzblaster]

I’m assuming it can’t be done due to the fact that a spirit requirement is part of what defines an offhand, so there might be some engine limitation around changing this, although a modder would know better than me. It would be much easier to just allow those offhands to grant bonus cunning to make up for the fact that they require spirit.

[Dmt]

bonus cunning

This would be a good move

[mad_lee]

People who voted “no” have never tried making a decent build with those off-hands, I guarantee that. Oh well, gimmicks will remain gimmicks.

[Valinov]

People who voted “no” have never tried making a decent build with those off-hands, I guarantee that. Oh well, gimmicks will remain gimmicks.

[1.1.5.2] Jarinthor's Biting Sands - Pierce CDR Caster Spellbreaker ~6:00 average 170 clear

[thesandsoftime] Introduction: Spellbreaker is an iconic classic grim dawn class. While there have been some builds posted lately, I think there needs to be a few more. So in the next few days I will be posting another one. This one is unique in that it allows for the single highest amount of flat CDR; 57% with high rolls. It allows for devotion cooldown only possible otherwise with eternity offhand. The Build: https://www.grimtools.com/calc/dVbMdgY2 The unseeing eye 4 pierce is chosen f…

I didnt vote no though. Although I certainly lean towards it. Perhaps make the offhands in question req 600 something spirit like the lvl 84 legendary’s out there? This would at least ease the burden a bit.

[mad_lee]

If you voted no I am gonna arrest you on the spot for being comlicit to the crimes of Cronley Crawling builds gang!

Also, that example has Arcanist with 100 Spirit pants, does it really prove that having 724 Spirit requirment on a Physical/Pierce off-hand is all right? Would physical Pyromancers/Opressors/Sentinels have enough Spirit to try a build with an off-hand like this?

[Dmt]

engine limitation around changing this

[Superfluff]

No matter the build, i’ve always wanted and always argued for lower off hand req. So I won’t vote but just leave this here

[mad_lee]

Maybe Chariot of the Dead.

That’s one devotion that is almost never used by Pierce/Physical/Bleeding builds. Rather add it to Assassin’s Blade or Azraaka. And make it 20-25%. But I still think that seeing a Physical off-hand with Cunning requirment is kind of cool and thematic.

[Nery]

I am playing Inashkor physical Witchblade. I have 724 or so spirit requirement, physique requirements for the heavy armor and I need cunning for damage. Even then my skills are gimped by the armor, so build is little bit frustrating, so +1 to the idea. And I should vote before am busted

[Superfluff]

make it 20-25%

Voted no after all cause you are just fishing for stuff now But you get the point

[Dioarchet]

Rather add it to Assassin’s Blade or Azraaka.

I deleted my post because it was already mentioned earlier:

Dryad and Crane provide -10% Spirit Requirement for All Weapons each. This includes caster off-hands. Taking Order for piercing and physical damage builds sounds solid to me - and meh for bleeding.

Unfortunately those two devotions are meh as well.

Assassin’s Blade seems too low level for this bonus and it doesn’t really support bleeding. Azraaka is OK but it doesn’t support bleeding. So actually IDK.

[mad_lee]

Voted no after all cause you are just fishing for stuff now But you get the point

The point is that people that are voting “no” don’t care about those items or the builds meant for them. What’s the point of having 720 Spirit requirment on a physical Pyromancer for example? Or physical Witchblade caster?

https://www.grimtools.com/calc/eZPEnOJN

This is an example of a physical caster build. You can put 2 and 2 together.

[Valinov]

Voted no after all cause you are just fishing for stuff now But you get the point

The point is that people that are voting “no” don’t care about those items or the builds meant for them. What’s the point of having 720 Spirit requirment on a physical Pyromancer for example? Or physical Witchblade caster?

https://www.grimtools.com/calc/eZPEnOJN

This is an example of a physical caster build. You can put 2 and 2 together.

dont be set on barb pants… craft for % physique bonuses https://www.grimtools.com/calc/lNkPvOd2
more OA, more DA, more stacking rr + flat rr from devo, a big chunk more armor

[mad_lee]

dont be set on barb pants… craft for % physique bonuses https://www.grimtools.com/calc/lNkPvOd2
more OA, more DA, more stacking rr + flat rr from devo, a big chunk more armor

ah, build advice again! And it’s not even my build, lol. You’ve lost about ~100% physical damage with that setup, my friend, and OA/DA are still very low. Why not give this build 720 Cunning to equip an off-hand? Will it suddenly become op?

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Voted no for the following reasons:

1. As @banana_peel said, offhands are supposed to be for smart people, not for quick people.

2. As with most of your other feedback posts, this looks like it stems from frustration of not being able to make a decent build out of a fringe concept. This again gives me the feeling of you wanting everything to be cookie cutters that work using the mad_lee formula of building.

3. You’re trying to discredit people who voted no in a thread that’s supposed to be a poll to learn how people feel. It’s pretty obvious you’re doing this to sway more people towards the yes side but really it’s not pretty to look at. To me it just makes your suggestions lose ground no matter how the voting goes.

4. (And probably the most valid point of all) i quite liked @Boromonokli suggestion on giving some shields relevant stats for pierce casters (and buffing phys ones) to be more competitive with offhands. Solves both the cunning problem and the viability problem and the inly thing you’ll worry about is not holding some monster’s head.

[Maya]

I am willing to sell my vote for the right price :3

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I’ll free 3 birbs I have captive for a no

[Maya]

I’ll free 3 birbs I have captive for a no