So Targo set is the physical set that makes Warlord look kind of bad. @Superfluff posted his build with and from the video it seems like despite being a Warlord and despite having a Shield build looks kind of unstable in Crucible. And there is no huge damage to trade off that relative squishyness. It does complete Crucible 150-170, but then you have builds like Warborn+Siegebreaker and Markovian warlords that will probably do the same job as fast but with zero hiccups. Oh and they also can go really deep in Shattered Realm and facetank kill Celestials with minimal adjustments - something that Targo set probably can’t do at all.
Another example of how weird Targo is: one of the builders from Russian community tested dual-wielding version of the set and after a lot of tests he came to the conclusion that the optimal way to use the set while dual-wielding is to spam Blade Arc while holding second Targo Hammer as basically an off-hand.
Idea is simple:
- Make Targo hammer Big Mean Two-handed weapon.
Physical builds already have quite a few one-handed + shield archetypes to choose from, and all of the are quite strong and tanky, something you would expected from a physical sword and board build.
But two-handers are lacking in general, and I think players miss some of that big mean two-handed weapon action. I have made a build with two-handed Blade Arc spam with a Bleeding set and a weapon with no attack speed and it turned out to be very fun and successful build.
By the way, I did not come up with that (pretty good) idea. But few players I spoke to had it.
Yes, make Targo hammer a two-hander!
No, leave it as it is but buff 1h Blade Arc playstyle further
Heck, I also thought that make a targo’s hammer as 2h would be a simple way to deal with the all problems with this set by “one hit” (even post this suggestion here).
Totally for it.
I voted 1h because i think it fits thematically (blacksmiths are 1h) and also functionally since it’s a dot build. (and as 1h it should not coexist with Spellschourge 1h spam, that thing is a mistake imo and should be revamped). I’m really ok with Octav shield or the others few that fit instead of a second Targo hammer. I’d make Grey knight better.
What targo needs, again functionally and thematically too is more tankiness(blacksmiths are though). It needs more phys res, more Health and DA. Like 5%, 500, 80..to begin with. IT and flat mods for BA and ABB need to be improved
EDIT: I’d also add a tanky bubble proc to it that makes it tough, which again i think it fits. the stats above would be nice but your lifesteal is still low. A small proc that resembles that of Shattered set. 10% DMG absorb with more duration or something like that. Would be nice, like a cheap Menhir’s bulwark. What do you think?
Note that this set will likely be receiving buffs both directly and indirectly in the future, especially 1h
I think there are already three super tanky Soldier shield-specs: Warborn + Siegebreaker, Markovian and Octavius. There are zero dedicated two-handed physical specs. One-handed Blade Arc was just a bad idea to begin with. Internal Trauma ABB is even worse idea to be honest.
In my opinion, and a lot of community contributors will agree with me, 4th Soldier shield spec is not needed. Set is a great chance to show two-handers some love.
And thematically (ugh, I hate this argument) Smith can be swinging a huge mean hammer, why the hell not.
I just don’t want it on Targo Since it’s a DoT set like Octavius I like the Shiled part. I was suggesting the tankines part in a more unusual way. All the sets you mentioned are tanky in their own right but in a different way.
The only part I like about 2h is more Judgement dmg via %dmg mod, however, if Grey knight were to be better it would be the same result
As for the theme part, sry man smiths are smiths
Heck i’d even use Judgement of Empyr instead of Shiled, and you know what, I might, that thing fits lol
But how do you see Targo as a set with a shield? Blade Arc Spammer? Doesn’t make too much sense to spam on a DoT build. Nuke rotation build? But then there is Octavius that does exactly that (you can even add Blade Arc to Octavius just for Laceration). You want to spam Cadence but nuke with Blade Arc? Well, Warborn will do it much better.
So you see the problem here? Set has no identity. It could be Vire’s Might/Physical Bone Harvest set - then it would make sense. But gimmicky physical ABB support that noone really asked for is a lame identity.
Well to be fair WB can’t do 750K IT dummy crits with BA
But if Spamming an AoE skill wit god Dot works Why not? It may not have the highest possible nuombers, but has consistency. It just needs more meat on it to sustain that consistency
As for ABB i’m surprised how much people dislike it. It has even better coverage than BA it looks and feels great…until bosses, so it needs to be made better, but I wouldn’t say it’s shit. If ABB worked, my build would have been a Dervish not WL, but I settled with BA. Mechanically ABB is nicer
I would prefer targo’s hammer to stay a 1h, but instead make Leviathan support blade arc and fit your suggested role along with the change that I mentioned in the 2h feedback thread (swap around acid to phys and cold to phys conversion numbers in targo’s helm to buff physical abb with Leviathan).
The simple truth is that 1h BA doesn’t work fine
It seems very fun to me that even warlord (one of the most strongest masteries setup og the whole game) does only 7m run in cruci without even enough tankyness
Since it’s a DoT set like Octavius I like the Shiled part. I was suggesting the tankines part in a more unusual way. All the sets you mentioned are tanky in their own right but in a different way.
there is bearded targo with a 2h among mortals. they young boy is the guy in your pic 
