Improving my Bleeding Trickster (Suggestion, Help, Answers etc. appreciated)

Grim Dawn Classes, Skills and Builds
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This is my 1st (and only) Grim Dawn Character, I bought this nice game at this years Steam Summer Sale.

Before starting, I read about Bleeding Builds here in the forum and orientated on TZ Tz-Build, but wanted to make something for myself. I never thought I would play Ultimateā€¦but Grim Dawn is to good to pass this opportunity. :wink:

Here we go:
http://www.grimtools.com/calc/O2G0nlVd

IĀ“m currently Level 82. IĀ“m farming for a better set of trousers. My kind of playstyle: I just want to finish Grim Dawn on Ultimate. Rogue-like Dungeons would be nice but No Must-Have. Crucibleā€¦I donĀ“t really play it.

About the Resistances:
I have an Incorruptible Ring and an Incorruptible Amulet in my bag. I also have (actually, I need a 2nd Bloodsong) a 2nd Set of Brutallux and Bloodsong for Imbued Silver/Purified Salt.

For Bleeding and Piercing I have some spare Rings but not enough to cap.

Devotions:
I thought about putting the last 3 Points to Lion.

Now the questions:

  1. Should I go with 2 Bloody Whetstones or should I go to OleronĀ“s Blood? One of each?
  2. I tried to understand WPS. I didnĀ“t exactly. Should I lower Whirling Death or not to get more Execution Proccs?
  3. I want to lower Shadow Strike to get maximum Shadow Dance. Useful?
  4. Prismatic Diamond or Leathery Hide?
  5. Which Relict should I use?

I mainly use Devouring Swarm and Entangling Vines for mobs. Bosses/Heros are often kited, because I lack the Defense and Hit Points to facetank them.

Any Help, Suggestion, etc. would be great.

Thank you. :slight_smile:

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  1. After big nerf vileblood mantle become a huge pieсe of crap. Use bloodragerā€™s shoulderguard instead.

  2. Oleronā€™s blood are great for any dot build, so you can use it.

  3. For you belgothianā€™s shears and amarastaā€™s quick cut are useless

  4. 18/16 in SS for build that not based on SS is complete and absolutelly madness

  5. Damage absorbation vs stun resistance and xp? Both look solid, choise is yours.

  6. You can stay with your relic

You want improvement to your build? I got something for you!

Take (most of) all the points that you put into the SS, the circle of slaughter (17 points, God, why?, a few will suffice), the vine and the Mogrodogenā€™s rite (God, why? [2]; one is enougth).

Invest them in the branch of the shaman at least to the totem, and best of all to primal bound (for the sake of absorbing damage) or to stormcallerā€™s pact (for the sake of increasing damage from crits).

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First, thank you. :slight_smile:

To the ā€œOh my God, why?ā€: I didnĀ“t know better. :wink:

Next one:
Something like this? http://www.grimtools.com/calc/D2pwP1Nq

Next questions:

  1. What about Wildblood Mantle? Is the Procc worth the Set Bonus from Bloodrager?
  2. OleronĀ“s Blood for both Weapons or just one? Loose Decapitate?
  3. Whirling Blades down to 5 to max out Veil of Shadow/Shadowdance?
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Hi,

Iā€™ve updated the DW Bleeding Trickster thread here :
http://www.grimdawn.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48979

You should max your toon level to 85 and get all Hidden Path quest on all difficulty for more skill points and attributes.

Also, you should take Manticore Acid Spray for flat RR.

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I have seen the Update. :slight_smile:

I made Hidden Path Veteran and Elite. IĀ“ve just taken the 1st Step in Ultimate.

Thanks for the advice with Manticore. But where to get the 6 Points?
I can cancel out Behemoth but would loose many HP.

Are both Totems mandatory?

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You need only wendigo totem, (corrupted)stormtotem are useless for your build.

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Sorry, wrong question. :undecided:

Do I need Blood Pact?

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need? no, but for a physical attacker, it is a good 1 point wonder.

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Thanks to all for helping. :slight_smile:

New Question about Devotions:
This is now: http://www.grimtools.com/calc/q2M1ab2m

I read somewhere in the forum that my OA may be too low. Should I change my Devotions; refunding Hawk and Behemoth and Putting it into Chariot of the Dead for Wayward Soul and more OA?

Would be hard to level Wayward Soul but perhaps it is really necessary?

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Try take Manticore Flat RR.
Check devotion path here : http://www.grimtools.com/calc/d2j4nxZ9

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Okay, I will. :slight_smile:

Tested Chariot (brought it to Lvl 9), it is nice-to-have.
Will test Manticore (Acid Spray) with my Devotions (http://www.grimtools.com/calc/JVlm85ZO), do I have to bind it to Savagery or will Whirling Death/Execution suffice?

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Yes, Chariot is nice, itā€™s increasing OA and the procs adds DA.

Please bound Acid Spray to Savagery, not to Execution or any other wps.

Acid Spray procs is ā€œchance on attackā€, it will less procs if you bound it to wps.

:slight_smile:

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Done that. Bound DryadĀ“s Blessing to Execution, Uptime nearly 100 %. :slight_smile:

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Update:
I nearly finished the game, did a lot of farming, trading and crafting (about 4.000.000 coinsā€¦) but had a lot of luck.

This is now: http://www.grimtools.com/calc/Q2zBnk2A

Resistances are capped; if you swap the Weapons, Aether-Ward and Void-Ward are up. Completion Bonus of Relic are Heart of the Wild + Storm Touched (3rd Eye of the Storm I crafted).

I donĀ“t know if I have enough OA/DA, especially DA could be a problem(?).
No, I canĀ“t facetank Mad Queen, she rips me to pieces. Get her down with a lot of kiting.

Possible Changes:

Skills:

  • Get Points from Circle of Slaughter (1), Entangling Vines (1) and maybe Anatomy of Murder (up to 4)ā€¦or any combination of that. Max out Tenacity of the Boar and put more points in Veil of Shadows/Shadow Dance.
  • Question: Are the 20 % Slower Enemy Attack from Entangling Vines something useful especially on bosses? I canĀ“t say for sureā€¦

Devotion:

  • Get everything from Scales of Ucama (5). I donĀ“t really know how often Tip of Scales proc because I see no icon. ItĀ“s a lot of HP, but perhaps some other constellation would be betterā€¦
  • Put 3 Points from Scales of Ucama into Hawk (OA, Crit). 2 Points leftā€¦putting where? Eel for some DA?
  • Put all 5 Points to Turtle. Would be painful because leveling the shell without Quests will beā€¦hard.

I havenĀ“t played any of the Rogue-like Dungeons yet. And John Bourbon is something I want to try. That are the last things I hope to achieve before the Add-on.

Any advices? :slight_smile:

Edit:
One more question:
Is it useful to change one/both component(s) to Aether Soul/Black Tallow in Amulet/Medal instead of Dread Skull when trying Port Valbury/Bastion of Chaos?

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Yes. And Bloody Whetstone in weapon.
Also use weapon with flat bleeding, it gives good benefit when hiting by both hands.

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Instead of Brutallax?

I got it because of TZ TzĀ“s guide what would you suggest? Another Bloodsong or, because I have points in Beserker, a different axe?

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Yea, one more Bloodsong, you have enough points even without +1 to Shaman. What does TZā€™s guide say??

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TZ Tz uses Brutallax for the Procc I think. And, Brutallax grants Attack Speed + Crit, which I would loose (12 % Crit and 8 % Attack Speed in my case).

The +1 Shaman wouldnĀ“t be a problem; I can get most of the points from Nightblade. And I can put the 3 Points from Beserker to Hawk, maybe this would be a fair Trade-off. Hmā€¦:confused:

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Brutallax allows you to use the Berserker devotion, which I recommend completing. I put together my own version of a bleeding Trickster a while ago with some input from Superfluff. You can see mine here. I strongly suggest using the Slaughter relic over Eye of the Storm. If/when you make changes to some gear and are looking for extra res, go ahead and swap your gloves to Voidsteel Gauntlets. They offer really helpful res, and the bonuses that Grasp of Unchained Might grant arenā€™t all that important.

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Ah, totally forgot about Berserker. So yes, you need Brutallax or Butcher of Burrwitch. Try second one.
Also Empowered Brawlerā€™s Gloves would be nice.