This from a guy who puts others on ignore.
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Letās stick to the thread subject shall we? Otherwise the thead will be closed.
Different people operate under different assumptions depending on what their frame of reference is.
I get why they didnāt understand what you meant at first (cause I wasnāt getting it either, hence my questions)
But there is no point in taking miscommunication personally.
Sometimes if one person doesnāt understand what youāre saying, itās on them, but if a lot of people donāt get it, maybe you need to rephrase what youāre saying. Communication is a 2-way street, and getting frustrated over it is not going to help.
What Iām getting is that youāre looking for:
āAll POSSIBLE builds that revolve around a complete damage type conversion for their main skill, no matter if itās unreasonableā¦ as long as itās possibleā
Am I right ?
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No. Communication is selection. Either you get me or you donāt.
If you get me, fine. If not and you still try honestly (thus NOT attacking me as OP), fine. But if not and you start nagging like a beat housewife, then itās a NO from me. Letās leave it at that.
To the matter at hand:
Hmhmhmā¦ well, somewhat close and somewhat NOT close.
It is not about defining a main skill. And also Damage conversion is not a āmustā.
Letās say there is a certain combination, just like the Cold Doombolt, that no one wants to take on, as it is considered as weak from the start.
This would be the center.
Of course you cannot rely solely on Doom Bolt, thus, I would then be forced to build around it some skills, that increase performance and reliyability to THAT max, which the CENTRAL idea, in this case the cold doom bolt, allows. But THIS step would be mine.
YOUR step as example would have been: āwell, no oneās taken on Cold Doombolt yetā, because reasons.
Are we getting closer to you understanding?
Dude, Iām legit trying to bridge the gap here, no need to get defensive. Iām not nagging, Iām trying to help
Considering this is a genuine effort in rephrasing your main point, then yes.
There is still no way to know which ideas were testedā¦ and abandoned because they didnāt meet that personās criteria (which were most likely higher than yours for this considering that POSTED builds tend to be able to at least run crucible) If weāre going by your criteria, I can guess that pretty much everything has been attempted /thought ofā¦ and abandoned at least once. What gets the nod to put more effort in it is what looks promising from a builder standpoint.
For example, I know there is a possibility of making an Acid Wind devil build (thereās a conduit amulet for that) But I donāt know that anyone has tried to make it work past theorycraftā¦ Thatās a start.
I tried to make a Chaos Word of Pain build with one of the conduits, but it didnāt work greatā¦ that doesnāt mean that someone else couldnāt make it work thoughā¦
I suggest you look at all the conduit amulets, and see what kind of funky stuff they can lead to 
Otherwise, go check this: Item skill modifiers - Grim Dawn Item Database (grimtools.com)
and pick a skill you think could be interesting, and look at all the items that modify it in various ways
I have a WIP Pierce infiltrator centered around this thing: Messengerās Repeater - Items - Grim Dawn Item Database (grimtools.com)
Thatās another good example, but there are SO MANY funky things that could be doneā¦
I donāt think compiling a complete list like you want is feasible, considering we all have jobs, kids, responsibilities and whatnotā¦ I would be interested in reading that though.
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I wasnāt talking about you, how did you get that wrong!?
Not relevant.
Relevant is: naaa, I am da supabuilda and know, that this āSetupā canna work! Builds like that I wanted to know.
Partly, as it does depend on only one gear stuff, which is HARD to get, but reg. the overall issue, itās an example, yes.
Already have, but I have only a few of the Blueprints, so I wait with these until I have them all.
Well, look at the Cold Doombolt example. The point is, there is NOT any item skill modifier for that, which makes it so interesting for me.
The list would be generated automatically if everyone who can think of something like my example would just chip it in.
Another Occultist Ex:
Bloody Pox has Bleed (no conversionsā¦), Vitality (all conversions possible), Poison (not sure how Poison without Acid is handled, letās leave it out)
Sigil has Vitality, Chaos and Fire.
Doombolt has Chaos and Vitality.
So, I was expecting FOR EXAMPLE someone coming up with a Fire Bloody Pox Idea (Vitality --> Fire; and for the other two, if at all possible Chaos to Fire). A ROUGH one.
You know, I see, that most options, which are more or less 1 - 3 steps of thinking only have been taken on.
I wanted to get to Steps 4-6, if you know what I mean.
Well, you were replying to me, and said āyouā several timesā¦ you can see how someone could interpret it this wayā¦
This is what I meant by ācommunication is a 2-way streetā
Iām pretty sure a LOT of very reasonable people in my place would have drawn the same conclusion I have. I didnāt āget that wrongā all by myselfā¦ Communication is BOTH partyās responsibility, not just the listener.
I get what you mean, but at that point we,re basically looking at taking every skill that deals damage, and try to make it work in every damage typeā¦ Some of these are simply not possible I get it, but some areā¦ technically possibleā¦ but are they interesting ?
If someone makes a Aether bloody pox build, I want to see that! and I also want to know how good/bad it is!
Iāll contribute a bit here:
I love WoP, I tried to make builds out of it
I tried Bleed, Pierce, Elemental, Aether, Chaos and Vitality
I also love Vireās might
I have a fire build, and also tried Pierce/Bleed. Havenāt tried Acid yet, but I know some people did. Nobody tried to make a Cold build out of it that Iām aware of ā¦
My thought process is usually more like browsing items, and try to imagine what could I do with themā¦ So itās kinda like the opposite of what youāre doing.
I would love to make a build out of Stonefist Rebuke, but I canāt wrap my head around the best way to use itā¦
And I really did try to make a build around Gulgazorās heart tooā¦ didnāt work
I hope thatās a starting point
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I thought about Stonefist Rebukes memes a lot too and the best what Iāve come up with is Physical FoI Deceiver
- impossible Badge of Mastery warning!
For Gulgazor thereās
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Ranged Acid Deceiver but itās a serious build so a more meme would be
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SSF Beginner 2h Biting Blades Acid Infiltrator
Again Gulgazor for full Pierce conversion in SSF circumstances-
to use Gulgazor Fire conversion Iād level with Acid Conflagration till I have Seal of Blades
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to those that donāt know - Biting Blades are pretty strong because they hit twice if you use them correctly
- I think aiming behind enemies probably with Force Move might be needed
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Yeah, happens if āoneā has to use this ridiculously primitive excuse for a language called englishā¦ No, āyouā did not mean you personally but āyouā as in the opposite of me 
Learn yourself some german, it is much more precise.
Edit: think about it: why would I want to attack you as the only one trying to work shit out? See? I usually expect people to see theseā¦ interconnections?
Yes, to me. Thatās the whole point. IF there are oversights in buildvariants then I expect them to be there.
EX-FUCKINā-SACTLY!!! Now we are talkingā¦ 
Combination of Occ and Inq based on Vit is my next toon. I hopeā¦ still farming for Radaggan. Or Wendigo Spirits. Or Aetherial Missivesā¦
CoF and WoP are Killers together.
Well, that changes all the time. It was skills, then switched to Devotions, than to gear and now back to skillsā¦
It is. Finally someone UNDERSTOOD. Omgā¦
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English isnāt my first language either, but I prefer it online specifically because it is more precise than French
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ah, I love to hear french, even if I donāt understand much, learning Latin didnāt helpā¦
Btw, be warned, we are driftig off topic and ātheyā donāt like it
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I used this Acid WD conduit in 3 Shaman builds but never for WD themselves but rather as support / for conversion / RR:
- Acid PS Conjurer (only this one tested)
- Acid Storm Totems / Guardian Archon
- Acid Shadow Strike + other skills Trickster
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Chaos WoP Conduit - just use it with Voidsoul and FoI
- or you can use 100% Elemental to Chaos and make yourself some Chaos Obliteration build with WoP support
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Pierce Infiltrators with Messengerās Repeaters are top tier, very strong in SSF / beginner build too
Acid pseudo-spammable Horn of Gandarr + procs Infiltrator - https://www.grimtools.com/calc/aZqEoPvZ
Untested. Interesting idea I was brainstorming some months back. The idea is to keep up Lethal Assault/Seal and spam Gandarr for the massive damage reduction and life steal through it + pure Acid Twin Fangs. Procs on the main hand, rings, relic, boots and Acid Meteors will help out, also converted to pure/majority Acid.
Acid Phantasmal Blades + Biting Blades - https://www.grimtools.com/calc/4NOyLnPV
Untested. More recent idea inspired by one of @XandeRootās comments sometime ago. Keep up Lethal Assault/Seal, Phantasmal Blades when ready for a nuke and Biting Blades for filler. Some on-paper calcs I ran were getting PBlades at doing ~34.6k Acid damage per Blade before RR/crit damage, 128-153k per Blade with RR/crit damage to the dummy. Energy is likely going to be a major problem though. Biting Blades is going to be costly if itās not used in moderation.
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This is one point where I sorta agree with part of what OP is saying: itās a bit difficult to round up what others have done.
There are times when Iām theorycrafting a build, and eventually find a Reddit thread from 2019 where someone did almost exactly that.
i wasnāt aware that āPierce Infiltrators with Messengerās Repeaters are top tier,ā ā¦ not a clue 
I thought I was clever! 
I didnāt know you already tried your hand at Acid WD conduit buildā¦ do I want to spend time tinkering that when someone with more experience already did the legwork and deemed it inefficient ?
See what I mean.
I donāt have a solution for that. I know that we have build compendiums and the Grimsheet for what has been done and WORKS! ā¦ but very little on those āYeah I tried that, itās fun, but not good enough to postā buildsā¦ Which would be a great leg-up for new-ish players
Anyway, Iām glad you shared those, thank you
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Thanks for those 
The spammable version looks great, itās basically what I was trying to do, albeit with no real success.
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Lol, nice meme 
Just use Arcane Spark if you need to. No Energy problems. And if by some crazy accident itās still not enough, you can use two of them Amazing build btw and a great idea.
You were but there are others clever too that I know of and making builds on a daily and having close to 1000 Grim Tools links bookmarked
Totally spend time on it. The only reason I would say to not do something is when 1) thereās a proper build thread on a forum 2) greatly tested and optimized 3) using literally the same idea(s) as yours. Stuff I mentioned doesnāt satisfy any of those 3 conditions.
Yes these are probably rather discussed on Discord with whoever is on-line at the time. Good place for memes for sure.
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I tweaked your build a bit to make it a Deceiver instead, since what was used in Nightblade was mostly Acid damage bonus.
Do you think this could be as good ?
Potentially more damage eyeballing it with the additional RR on Bloody Pox and the Deathstalker, though being able to apply it passively via Nightās Chill on the Infiltrator will be a little smoother than having to cast CoF + Pox back-to-back on the Deceiver. Comparatively though, you donāt have to deal with keeping up Lethal Assault for flat damage so perhaps it evens out in playstyle 
The low DA looks worrisome on the surface but should be compensated with Wasting. High DA isnāt actually all that required as itās just one layer to building defense and feels more comfortable to play with than actually being necessary (which is why I personally like building my characters with fairly high amounts in mind). Some Crucible players donāt even need it with enough damage and good piloting.
You may want to reconsider keeping the Venomblade weapon as I chose it with the 3-piece set bonuses in mind - the extra 12% cooldown reduction and 6% physical resistance are real juicy. The 80 OA on the set bonus and 3% OA on the weapon are nothing to sneeze at either. The damage proc is icing on the cake.
Adding to the above, if you donāt want to go the full 3-piece Venomblade you could alternatively think about swapping out the remaining 2 Venomblade pieces for a +1 Occultist/Inquisitor/All head like Ravagerās Dreadgaze and the chest for a M. Venomancerās Raiment or something else. You do lose the 30% Elemental/Pierce->Acid conversion on the head/chest but I think getting some more value out of those slots might be warranted on Deceiver.
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2 ācurseā type abilities are actually just as easy for me as only 1, as I usually bind them to my scroll wheel (1 up, 1 down) I just wiggle the wheel to cast both. The flip side is that this trick breaks down if I have more than 2 such skills
I think overall itās better than having to keep up ABB, as ABB requires at least one target to be real close, while I can be kiting with BP.
I tried to implement your suggestions there.
I replaced the hat with Venomancer, which gives basically the same ability, but adds some damage to BP, a bit of cooldown to compensate for the loss of 3-piece venomblade, and more DA. The Ele to acid conversion I get back from the armor. The chaos conversion is just a bonus.
I replaced the armor with Venomancer too as you suggested. I lose a bit of pierce - Acid convertion, but gain more health, some stun resist and a boost to Aspect of the guardian (which should offset somewhat the loss of physical resist from 3-piece Venomblade). The toggle helps making up for the loss of set bonus damage.
https://www.grimtools.com/calc/0V0mYoEZ
Total DA and OA are better too.
Will have to play with components and augments a bit cause I lost some aether resist in the processā¦
Edit: I also changed the gloves, since their bonus was irrelevant, that also helped a bit
What do you think ?
I like having duration buffs like Word of Renewal/Pneumatic Burst/Blood of Dreeg and often my health potion on these but to each their own.
Looking good. Didnāt realise earlier as well but if low DA is a problem, you can easily pick up to 200-300 by swapping your ring/amulet augments to Rotgut Venom and trying for the % DA craft on the Deathstalker relic.
Aether resistance shouldnāt be hard either with most of the Solaelās Voidward augments swapped out for +9% Aether/Chaos resistance and maybe a 15% Aether resistance here and there.
Itāll really just come down to seeing how much damage it deals overall in practice as itās hard to estimate and whether it can hold itās own. Since itās mostly AoE and procs, itās probably best suited to Crucible.
Random off-topic question as well if you donāt mind. Itās been a few years but I vaguely remember your name and profile picture from the Borderlands community, i wasnāt a regular poster but recall seeing you in discussions when looking up character builds. Itās been nagging me in the back of my brain for awhile now and Iām not sure if Iām just imagining things or not 
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