just like a lot of stuff you say I am afraid
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I never said the Trickster was bad. Itâs at the very top of non-pet builds all day long.
Itâs just not âBest in Gameâ level. I did assume it claimed SR90 viable. If not, the video still works for other editor build guides. Again, not bad or wrong, just not what I do.
My only point from the beginning has been that if you follow my in-game builds you will get exactly what I claimed. I almost forget that with all the sidetracking.
@Automator can you please share a couple of save files of your builds? I wanna try them and record a video comparison to some stuff of mine, which is not in the top20 race even.
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I believe there is no such best builds.
If that were the case, I would stop playing this video game from the start & I know you, Automator, have put in some work here and are probably a decent person, but this whole drama you have fallen into is very questionable.
I support any ideas and creations. Honestly wanted to create my own thread with my builds too at some point but I didnât want them to get too known or seen so they could become nerfed later on⌠(personal view, preference, and opinion).
But what I want to tell you from the beginning, is maybe consider changing your title to something like âMy exotic personal buildsâ, without the word âbestâ⌠otherwise⌠whatever is above my reply, that happens. 
And it was bound to happen, even more, so that you challenged some well-heard âexpertsâ.
Donât give up on this Automator, but instead, improvise and try some suggestions others try giving you, see if that makes sense or is better. I learn from others too and if you try to work only on your knowledge, itâs gonna be really hard to make even better builds.
Not gonna say you should listen to others all the time but sometimes⌠itâs needed.
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not what iâm saying/said ?
you are word for word discounting builds as cheated and invalid because they must have been manipulated to showcase/claim X performance; because you or others couldntâ replicate said performance
^this is regardless of build/no build was ever specified, although i made a comparison example with a Shieldbraeker earlier, it was a generalization
iâm sorry what, thatâs not what your words have been saying when you make claims like X canât do this, only this can do that, and âthese other builds are invalid/illegitimateâ (and then basing it of fail/death criteria)
which has literally been the exact same point i have raised to counter your dismissal/critique of others.
If i, and others, didnt get that claimed performance (remotely), how does your argument against other in any less way work on your builds? - or is it because there is something more at play âlike player controlâ?
itâs really that simple
Me and Paikis have failed/died using your builds in some runs, âdoes that mean we should dismiss your stats as editor madeâ? - or that we control it worse/differently so the fail is on me instead?
advertised results vs ingame results
iâve played your archon for 90minutes, and i died a lot⌠
so, is my excuse that you must have used an editor to get abnormal good stat for said success? - or that i suck playing this specific low heal setup while being my usual semi aggressive playstyle habit?
i just redownloaded Neryâs save
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guess what happened, for whatever reason it defaults me to Normal; where said char has 0 SR unlocked
but when i switch to Ultimate, voila, all the checkpoints are indeed unlocked
just as i suggested earlier
jezz so⌠can we ditch the Alex Jones stuff yet?..
Useful information TY.
Ummm⌠Doesnât that mean the video was made on easy? Irrelevant to this thread anyway [/endsidetrack]
I assume you leveled the devotions in an editor? Still you missed something big somewhere. That Archon is a fantastic build. Perhaps try another build. Sry I canât help further.
I debated over the title and changed it a few times. I just donât know how to convey that these are the very top builds without sounding like a ****. I have no doubt the trolls would be here regardless as I was expressly warned of them before coming here.
Maybe âMy exotic personal buildsâ would be good enough. I donât know. Iâll gladly take more suggestions. I think it should somehow explain the thread. or maybe not. Titles are not my forte.
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Generally it is good to state up front that this is your opinion, and to make it clear what your parameters are by which you are rating builds. Even the top 20 build thread is just that, an opinion, but it is one with very clearly spelled out testing conditions/parameters and scores from numerous members of the community.
As soon as you start labeling something as âthe very best buildsâ, you are immediately setting yourself up for a battle of opinions, with everybody having their own standards for what it considered good/the best. As a wise man once said: opinions are like assholes. Everybodyâs got one.
Play nice!
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I added afaik to the op and changed the title after FlamingX21âs suggestion. My rating system although very different than other methods is clearly explained, easy to understand, and not used on builds other than my own.
Admittedly âthe very best buildsâ is problematic. I still donât know how to imply they are not average builds (afaik).
I am nice 
no?, you can see the tag in the video/top right corner
*guessing on a technical level it would have something to do with the save not being registered in the playmenu file yet, unsure
ofc, all max levels
guarantee you i did not; again you can send me your exact save so i have your exact stats, and if you donât have all devos maxed yet because new respec iâll even edit them to max 
iâm not saying itâs a bad build, thatâs the point, unlike you/your broad criticism of others/different builds, i am well aware exactly where the issue lies; iâm a sucky pilot
iâm worse at controlling characters than an actual drunk person we learned 
and thatâs been the main grievance iâve raised throughout,
your utter disrespect towards your fellow players/builders, the extreme hubris dare i say arrogance that not only âthese buildsâ/only pet builds can perform X, but only your build can do this/that in such way(s)
The complete and totally inaccurate criticisms/arguments attempted to be used to disregard other players/builds or performance/success while raising yourself up above them.
I donât hate your builds, heck i donât even think theyâre all bad, even if some are definitely less optimal from others iâve played and specially for my controlling. Iâve even had some decent runs/âi didnât die on every buildâ 
and because so many of them basically fall in meme territory i think they are down right interesting regardless of their technical optimization or performance in my control, because iâm a sucker for niche specializations or meme builds.
-but in no way have your builds warranted throwing shade at others/âstand above allâ, and most of all the other builds are 100% most definitely equally as valid as yours and can succeed as yours, both better and worse.
It especially pisses me off, when we have Xbox players and sht, that canât even use the save editor, but because either you or some other players canât make such build work/not die, or itâs not a pet build, âthen there is no way it could clear SR90 comfortably or without dying/without edited successâ/somehow being âinvalidâ
And itâs not just that you have these sentiments that i find both disapproving but also objectively meritless, itâs that you so boldly tout them, almost boasting (nothing about the mention of best or thread title btw just general tone) âi know how to Grim Dawn the otherâs are fakers or imitatorsâ. I even raised it couple times in regards to comments made, fine be proud of your builds/creations, many of them are not if anything unique, but dont remotely try to imply that othersâ are lesser, invalid, canât succeed, requires cheating(my words, you use editing), or so âsmuglyâ that here is where the real dealbuilds begins/âsecret lessons club to pro Grim Dawn lifeâ.
I guarantee you, just because you or others fail/die playing a build it doesntâ meant itâs invalid/cheated/edited/canât be done legit.
Just like because iâve died to some of your builds doesnât mean your builds are invalid or edited, player control matters, - also even if using the same 1:1 items, as a total baboon i can 310% promise you that
TLDR, âdonât put yourself on a pedestalâ,
appreciate your fellow players and builders, donât bring them down, learn from them, if you fall get up and try try again, adjust improvise adapt overcome, tweak, twerk do the harlem shake;
be humble enough to ask for tips/insight if at first second or thrice you dontâ succeed, also even if we have over 5000hours played there can still be tricks to discover.
you donât have to, the issue(imo) is when you say others are bad/invalid/canât X 
It is possible to imply your builds a good, or good âin your 
â without suggesting/âshouting from the rooftopsâ other builds donât work/cheated/bad some way or another trying to reduce different builds/builders
suppose you could say the issue isnât about your builds being the best, itâs the constant reaffirmation they are the âonlyâ ones that count
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I dare you, say!
Title or otherwise, the opening post still alleges that its builds are
Which given that youâve been made aware of *ahem* plenty of other builds, does seem to further a point of view of the quality of yours vs theirs.
As 
pointed out, the Community Top 20 thread outlines its rating criteria for how builds landed among its roster, including a peer-review system for placing them there with reputable build authors. Not saying you need to round up a bunch of people to verify the authenticity of your buildsâ performance, but having some metric to gauge what it is makes your builds so potent would only help your thread + readers of it.
Also a little wack to self-promo your channel for Minecraft/Factorio content on aâŚnon-Minecraft/Factorio forum.
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Yeah Iâd love this.
Zero shade has been thrown. Did I miss something?
Sry you were so upset. I removed the link from op.
You are actively sabotaging playing our Korba build in your own video and then saying how itâs not a good build. Among many other things like constantly implying that our work is not good because âeditorâ.
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youâre not being serious right?
constant dismissal of performance/feedback/builds, regardless if made by editor or not etc etc etc
it would take too long to transcribe all your YT comments, so iâll just reuse the same one in objected to earlier
*add to that ânot gonna be able to do this on non edited stats player buildâ
again, i said it earlier/in my previous post, youâre putting other builds/builders/performance down repeatedly, in the process of raising your own/pet builds up
you can praise your builds, without the jabs at others or non pet builds
and (imo) you should dispense with the jabs, because they are objectively incorrect
or
TLDR; non pet builds can clear sr90, and they can even clear sr90 comfortably, depending on the player, and they donât have to be editor created to do so
and even if it is editor created it is not somehow less valid performance success than yours or indicates the build canât do it without being editor created - remotely suggesting, implying or outright saying otherwise, is throwing shade
simples, no?
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You are misleading. Here is a copy of what I explained to you (I think) in the video comments:
- If you roll an item 1,000 times in an editor and pick the very best, itâs not considered a normal in-game drop.
- My builds will work with average gear. Some builds do not.
- I intentionally used my very worst pet build to compensate for less than perfect rolls on the other Trickster.
- This video was to validate why I personally use only in-game drops in my guides per commenter request. Itâs not at all about the other Trickster. Itâs a very nice build.
Never did I say your work was not good. This thread needs to cool down.
Stop being cluelessâŚ
Legendaries drop so much if you play SR that you will throw them out after a while⌠so finding a good rolled one is not a problem⌠With greens it is a different storyâŚ
Just look at other builds and look at yours⌠That shieldbreaker build was meant to be a joke I hope?
And player skills matter a lot.
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not how people are creating builds
and again, on a technical side that item has equal chance of dropping ingame as any other, you have 1/xbillion to drop any item with lower or higher stats
literally showed you examples of that statement not being true, not because the build is necessarily failing but because player skill matter
your statement is objectively not any more true than if madlee says the exact same about his build
âthrowing shade at editor created grimtools as if they are somehow inherently inferior or default unrealistic/cheated/using stats or otherwise not normally obtainable ingameâ - which is just inaccurate, again go back to the post where i talk about the item generation, it should very clearly showcase it
nobody is saying itâs all about the trickster, in fact atleast i have expressly stated otherwise, itâs about how you present it, as inferior, or that it if not inferior the performance must come from editor granted special status (which isnât a thing)
but on a technicality level, the worst part about your chosen representation, is the objective fuckup in control, which even i as a baboon could identify in 4secondsâŚ
yes, i would call that snippet 100% misleading about that build/almost any buildâs capability, because itâs almost like youâre intentionally trying to get killed (i dontâ actually think you are), because you are completely mishandling Iron Maiden and her attacks or basic mechanic interaction
That becomes an issue âfor the buildâ because the player/pilot/controller has an issue handling the fight/encounter/specific Boss interactionâŚ
So it doesnât âtrulyâ represent the build itself, it represent how the build handled in poor mistake reactions⌠- and likewise for many other builds it would equally fail because the encounter is not handled accordingly
âif itâs handled properlyâ it doesnât die then/there/7seconds into the runâŚ
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Yeah, I like this title, now to⌠escape the past⌠
lol, this thread!
Classic Internet!
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