[Observation] Damage Reduction applies to all* debuffs

x1x1x1x2 · May 9, 2021, 11:22am

It all depends on which point of view you’re looking this at. Zantai gets the most use of this discovery (if he didn’t know of this beforehand) as he’s in charge of balance and will therefore have more insight as to how future changes regarding DR affects game balance.

As for the builder perspective, while this should in theory affect how we should distribute points towards DR sources, practically it still means we max censure like every elemental inquisitor already does. We max decay like every RE build already does. We’re already maxing Ill Omen too on builds that use it for DR and have the points.

As DR sources in the game are pretty limited. The only two questions on the builder side I can think of are: (1) Is it worth it putting that next 4 points on War Cry from 12/12 to 16/12? and (2) is investing 12 points on Horn of Gandarr worth it for your non elemental inquisitor? Those two are the only mastery-based DR sources that aren’t always maxed nowadays (war cry is generally left 12/12).

Norzan · May 9, 2021, 1:02pm

In before Zantai is already aware of this for eons at this point and has enemy DR sources balanced around it. lol

Stupid_Dragon · May 9, 2021, 1:23pm

Maybe, but if I had to place a bet it would be against that. I mean DR affecting debuffs was suspected for at least two years, and back ago I did relay these suspicions. Zantai’s answer was vague, but I took it as he didn’t believe that.

Xervous · May 9, 2021, 1:24pm

Is the coding similar for total damage modified by X% or is that coded to behave as expected?

ya1 · May 9, 2021, 4:46pm

How does it affect dmg reductions of a particular dmg type? Like elemental on Null and Horn?

grey-maybe · May 12, 2021, 1:59pm

Here’s another thing that i’ve tested and it turns out to be even more broken than %DR.

Modded Steward to have 50 flat DR over 5 secs on his breath, instead of % one.
Initial ADctH is 16%, then breath comes in - no lifesteal at all because 16-50<0
Then Ghoul kicks in, 5 second debuffs still works - lifesteal is present, 16+80 - 50 > 0

Quite a plenty of mobs have this kind of DR on their skills.

Good job, engine.

fordprefect · May 12, 2021, 2:05pm

LoL there is also flat damage reduction you say? And probably stacks with %damage reduction so that’s why you get sudden sustain problems when facing multiple hero enemies in SR chunks.

Edit: According to Z, this deduction is wrong but the second one might still be correct

Quantum Mechanics is easier to learn than Grim Dawn Mechanics…

Zantai · May 12, 2021, 2:11pm

Except absolute damage reduction is literally not in use anywhere.

grey-maybe · May 12, 2021, 2:12pm

first boss that came to mind.
and i guess all the others with this skill have flat dr as well.

Zantai · May 12, 2021, 2:14pm

Ok, one boss with a misentered field. Anyone else?

fordprefect · May 12, 2021, 2:15pm

Exceptional fate?

grey-maybe · May 12, 2021, 2:17pm

searching for more.

Zantai · May 12, 2021, 2:22pm

Looks like one copy paste error propagated across like 3 enemies, and one more entry on an entity that’s not even seen in the Crucible/SR.

In any case, we’ll correctly set them to % DR in the next update, but the scale of this issue is a tad exaggerated.

grey-maybe · May 12, 2021, 2:25pm

How can 75-84% dr be exaggerated when it applies to all offensive parameters?
that basically leaves character only with its defensive stats.

banana_peel · May 12, 2021, 2:25pm

Allostria at Crucible 155 wave reduces your leech to zero. I died from it mutiple times. And reported it.

tqFan · May 12, 2021, 3:13pm

Here are all absolute reductions (non-zero offensiveTotalDamageReductionAbsoluteMin) I found in the files, maybe it will be useful. I’d also need to check what monsters use them I guess because it’s possible not only a monster indicated by skill’s name is using it

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Norzan · May 12, 2021, 4:16pm

Kind of odd about Steward breath attack shutting down leech when i vividly remember leeching from it while under the DR from his breath.

Edit: Missed the part that it was modded to applied flat damage reduction.

RxJunkie · May 12, 2021, 4:29pm

@grey-maybe modded it to test the effects of flat DR on ADCtH

XandeRoot · May 13, 2021, 8:27am

Can’t say I’m surprised by this discovery, since for a long time I noticed that “reduced reflected DAMAGE” also reduces reflected debuffs. That’s why having some % reflect reduction is not a bad thing even on non-trauma/bleed characters - especially when using strong debuffs like War Cry or Flashbang, etc.

DeputyChuck · May 13, 2021, 3:51pm

Does this also apply to “% Less damage from Chtonics” too ?
And if so, do those stack when it comes to this effect ?