Petition to tone down mutators

[Rhylthar]

I sense a little tension here.

Just a little bit nicking because of…

Or go back to Cronley speedkills on Elite…

But it is an earnest question, too:
If there is a build which can reliably (let´s say 9/10) complete Crucible in 10:00 minutes…would you consider it “weak/struggling”? Sometimes I get exactly that impression here in forums.

[ya1]

If there is a build which can reliably (let´s say 9/10) complete Crucible in 10:00 minutes…would you consider it “weak/struggling”?

Good question. But builds don’t “just struggle.” They often struggle with certain things. And there are mutators further gimping some of those things to an extent that I consider too much.

So, AETHERMARKED is nothing for classic Belgo but a gamechanger for vitality EoR (got no attack speed on a skill that’s all about attack speed.) But even Pyran who got strictly top tier damage - but needs to briefly facetank stuff for Mortars - gets a solid kick in the arse by EXPOSED and that -100 da mutator. To the point it’s almost unplayable in Crucible (unless wearing 8 MIs).

[Boromonokli]

Or go back to Cronley speedkills on Elite…

On that note, have we ever gotten Fabius/Zantarin/Ironmaiden loot back to at least pre-nerf levels?

[Rhylthar]

So, AETHERMARKED is nothing for classic Belgo but a gamechanger for vitality EoR (got no attack speed on a skill that’s all about attack speed.)

I guess, 2H? But is it really a problem of the mutator or a general 2H-problem (discussed since dawn of time) ?

But even Pyran who got strictly top tier damage - but needs to briefly facetank stuff for Mortars - gets a solid kick in the arse by EXPOSED and that -100 da mutator.

We both know, Pyran won´t survive this week in its current version. Iirc in one of the last threads it was discussed how it should be changed. Correct me but weren´t it tenor, that the insane amount of OA should be reduced in favor of DA/Health/Physical Resistance…short, defense?

[thejabrixone]

We both know, Pyran won´t survive this week in its current version. Iirc in one of the last threads it was discussed how it should be changed. Correct me but weren´t it tenor, that the insane amount of OA should be reduced in favor of DA/Health/Physical Resistance…short, defense?

Sad, I hope it’s not going into defensive too much.
I actually like the suicidal style of pyran. Bring more flavor to the game

[Rhylthar]

Well, that´s a problem here.

You want it “suicidical”, ya1 want it more “consistent” (aka “not ruined by mutators”) and we have a under 5 min Crucible build with this set.

[Trudel]

I made a similar assumption about TOUGHENED (+50%) and LEECHING (-60%) mutators but was corrected by Norzan and removed them from the list. Monster health is already +580% on Ultimate, and LEECHING makes it +520%.

Wow, ok. It certainly didn’t feel like that. I must have benefitted from other mutators favoring fast kills at the same time. Thanks, fo pointing that out.

In my opinion there should be an option of removing mutators completely from Crucible in exchange for limited or no loot - but I know it’s a minority opinion catering to minority audience of build minmaxers and testers and I won’t even mention it again. As for SR, I never said such a thing. I think some mutators should be balanced because they are too strong. They force you to restart the game until your already struggling build becomes viable. Or not play such builds at all and only play oupies. Or go back to Cronley speedkills on Elite…

I can relate somewhat, but I’m basically with Rhylthar and what he’s said above. Even if some of the mutators were changed there will still be (less) builds that struggle (or struggle less). That’s just their inherent randomness. Take that away with balancing and they will become meaningless.

[Volek]

we are not against difficulty we are against unfair and random mechanics that sometimes make shards unplayable. Those things can’t be countered with building or piloting skill which makes the game frustrating.

100% agreed. So far the whole SR experience was more frustrating than fun to me.

[Zantai]

Move the drama to its own thread…it has one now…

[sephelutis]

shouldn’t that cursed thread be in off the topic?

[ya1]

Quitting for other ARPGs but still here drama

We are obviously cutting corners on quality buff products to save on our bottom line and the poor players are getting cancer because of our lack of moral compass.

I knew it! All those nerfs… all those lies about the health of the game… was nothing but BUDGET CUTS!

Lmao.

Okay, now that I laughed at your jokes, any chance for maybe -15% armor on Exposed?