Skeletons Discussion

Still waiting for an absolute unit of a crab as pet in FoA…

I know it is not likely to happen, but I want to believe.

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#copium :face_exhaling: FoA features Grim Misadventure #193 - Wake Up!

introducing "Awakened Surimi"relic
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Awekened seems such a huge potential on blue item pets… imagine that upgraded fire skelly from that offhannd or duo acid crabs, dunno about relic crab tho. :open_mouth:

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I asked the same question some days ago, i will be more than happy to awake my Mytical Grimoire of Og’ Napesh or Mytical Blightshard Amulet

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Gotta say, i feel like it’s my fault that the discussion degenerated… So i’ll be more clear Maya. When i said “max survivability” i meant i liked the feeling of the health bar of my pets not moving during fights (a lot of health regen and max resistances) but yeah i always played story mode and the superbosses (i still die sometimes to Crate but it’s my fault i guess) so i havent really tried Cruci or SR to test the strenght of my pets, so my main goal was to understand if better survivability (like the 6% physical res from Typhos) was stronger than increased damage (Rumor for RR, also the pet from the Ghol set helps a bit with that). That’s what i meant and i’m sorry if someone misunderstood…

Ego aside, did the person asking the question, in any way shape of form mean very deep SR as the basis of the statement about skellies not being sturdy enough?

That’s why BOTH your pets’ and your own tankienss matter.

No, got a few very similar ritualists, compared to which the one posted above is missing about 40% tankiness. That could make the difference between invincible vs needing to resummon when farming certain endgame content.

If your skellies die during SR30-31 - that can be fixed. If they only die to Calla, Crate, - that’s by design.

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I’ve done this consistently over and over. The most resent stress test was on latest patch, 30x SR30-31 runs back to back, not a single lost skele. Granted, I play with the mindset of max pet tankienss rather than max pet dps. So, my skellies usually have maxed out res, ~40k hp, sometimes even higher than that, max possible regen. No special piloting is required, as long as you don’t abandon them after pulling 200 mobs with several ground effects active with nearby spawners producing more effects and a couple of nems to boot.

Likewise, as mentioned earlier, when leveling, somewhere between 25 and 30, they should stop dying period. If not, I’m doing something wrong. But again, my focus is on pet survival vs pet dps. As such, I gladly lose 20% endgame dps in exchange for 30-40% extra toughness.

can i ask you the grimtools link of your build? now i’m curious

Sure, but keep in mind, I trash my saves every couple of months and start fresh. All my builds are solo self found, meaning only using gear found with this particular character. So, what you see is an unfinished build that has yet to reach its full potential. Also, ignore some of the suboptimal choices when it comes to dps, the dps is not my main focus in this case. Tankiness is.

Here you see +344% life, but it’s actually close to 400% in game. Massive HP pool allows the skellies to last through the most difficult battles. Of course, it’s all paired with good regen, heal, etc.

This is what I’d aim for in terms of green item stats:

+400-450% HP, +2500% damage (somewhat helps with low RR and hybrid damage). This setup might be ok to tank Ravager. But not Calla, sadly.

Oh my bad, i tought it was a Ritualist. The devotion order is similar to the ritualist i posted

I have a few of those as well, just need to dig up some older saves. The idea is similar, you max out Mog’s pact and heart of the wild. We need that regen and hp badly. Same would apply to greens, dominator’s of the untamed can roll 50% HP on the spectral crown.

The best way I found to play with skeletons is to just make sure no more die then you can summon at one time within the cooldown period.

The possible reworks seem really fun, especially when it comes to having a bunch of skeletons of one type.

On a side, unrelated note. Skeletons appear on the buff bar with total count right? Could we have this with all pets that are temporary. Would be nice to know how many temp blight fiends I have and such through all the visual clutter.

I think they didnt yet due to the fact that balancing skeletons is kinda difficult. The stats of a single skellie may be fine on paper but you can have up to 15 of them so a little damage buff can be insane

Care to prove that it is mere ego and not an actual truth?
Care to put your accomplishments vs mine in terms of Pet builds in GD?

I have literally made the “invincible skeletons” you speak so much of and had that very build target nerfed because skeletons were never meant to be as tanky as other pets in Zantai’s own words and the means by which I achieved said invincibility (like skeletons facetank callagadra without losing a single one throughout the fight invincibility) were not supposed to have been left in the game since they were from a time when pets were way weaker.

No and does not have to. An open ended question gets an answer that takes everything, even the most extreme circumstances into consideration.

And again, your pets’ tankiness does not matter and since you do not have the same experience with pet builds as I do, you simply do not know any better. That is not meant to be rude, but it is like debating something you are known to be an expert in, to someone who has just entered the field.

An example -

Reap Spirits are immortal, but dont tank for you and that SR 140 was not achieved due to Reap Spirits being tanky and at the same time, build could not get to SR 150, despite Reap Spirits being immortal.

So you were simply moving your goalpost from “everything except callagadra and crate” all the way to “leveling fresh HC char SSF” as a way to try and save face in a losing argument then.

And I stand by my statement.
No experienced pet builder will tell you that Skeletons fit into that criteria.
In fact, the devs have said multiple times that their idea for skeletons is supposed to be quantity over quality and as a DPS source not meant to take a lot of punishment.

That said, one can argue that since skeletons tend to disappear instantly rather than getting their health draining away like other pets (because they are that fragile), their health bars rarely move :stuck_out_tongue:

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Somewhat arrogant of you to make such statements. Sad to see your ego getting in the way of clarity. No worries, I’ll park it here. Chitchat achieved.

It is more pride than arrogance when I am more than capable of backing it up - Banshee - Pet Ritualist - SR 140 Version :3

I have spent countless hours in Grim Dawn, 99% of it focused solely on Pets, explored them from one edge of infinity to the other and all the knowledge and experience I have acquired over the years are not something ignorable.

I have watched builds rise and fall, have personally been the factor contributing to both at times, brought about entire paradigm shifts in terms of what is considered to be the ideal choices, pushed my creations through more grueling challenges than most…

Unless the conversation is within the context of something that I have not deigned to bother with, like say for example - focusing on DPS and farming efficiency of SR/Crucible, I have enough of both knowledge and experience to know better than most.

BTW, did you ever provide a full video of any of those results, or is it, as always, just a screenshot?

So what? You’re not the only though. And just because I have spent…

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doesn’t give me the right to make arrogant claims, does it? Even if I have made 100x more pet chars over the past decade, even if I have made a pet build that vaporized Calla in 27sec. None of that gives me any such rights. In fact, I can only keep improving if I’m constantly doubting and taking seriously other ppls suggestions, no matter how dumb they might seem at first.
Anyhow, enjoy your ego.

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No videos. Now if you are going to use that to call “fake”, feel free to try and prove it.

I am however, one of the few and you are certainly not on that list.

Depends on what you achieved in that time.

The question would then be, have you?
If so, I have yet to see any evidence that would suggest that, both in terms of builds openly shared with the community and in terms of the substance of your comments and posts.

I actually do know someone who made a pet build that vaporized Calla in that time and the build never made it past the public test unscathed.

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