I mean, spectral wrath is passive too. But yes, I agree. It’s freaking dumb.
EDIT: I also should not be able to press-and-hold down EoR for that long as a warlord. Energy regen on presence of virtue or the energy cost of EoR seriously needs to be reworked.
I don’t agree with this. I’m working on a warlord build that doesn’t use retaliation beyond the accidental amounts you get here and there and such a nerf would hit this build hard for no good reason. Retaliation is the problem, not these pets.
warlords are the most disgusting thing to happen in this game! :eek:
cant wait for the holy patch when paladin back his righteous well deserved throne and purges Cairn off of this corruption!
I’m not using retaliation AT ALL. And I’m literally tearing naked crucible in half. Watch the video.
Piloting this guy was hands down easier than some of my buffed/bannered runs with toons in AoM. And this was before the increase in crucible difficulty
EDIT: If you want, I can PM you the GT. I’m not going to post it publicly because I don’t support this WL craze. That being said, I think all players who want to play WL’s SHOULD play warlords. 0 judgement on my end.
The regen on presence of virtue IS stupid, I agree. It’s pretty easy to make a warlord wearing heavy armor with energy regen comparable to any arcanist subclass in caster gear. It’s too much, half the value would be fine. At the hard cap it’s 15 regen, it’s like wearing two endgame caster chest pieces.
You also get stupid amounts of physique from both mastery bars, which is amplified by military training.
Yeah, Warlord is the only Oathkeeper build in the game. Other EoR builds and other builds that use PoV don’t exist. :rolleyes:
Funny you should say that.
To compare, I did pilot a fire EoR build - https://www.grimtools.com/calc/0V0qOrJZ
The damage is at least 35% less than that of the warlord, and thermite mines is a pain to use + inherently high fire res in enemies makes the shieldbreaker pale in comparison.
My armor is also 40% lower, and I have 300 less OA than the warlord spec.
EDIT: The spec struggled to clear 160, let alone 170, whereas the warlord just tore right through everything.
2nd EDIT: Worth mentioning too that energy sustain was difficult but not impossible to manage (even with -20% energy cost) as it SHOULD be for any DW EoR spec.
True but you barely get any spirit. Try to use an off-hand on a warlord, enjoy putting 30+ points in spirit 
Also, Warborn EoR Warlord does well. Isn’t that a good thing? The set supports the appropriate mastery combo and skill and by proxy, the build does well. Seems intentional to me.
It shouldn’t do THIS well in my opinion. I’m not sure if you watched the video, but you’ll know what I mean when you do.
I literally just cut a swathe through hero enemies.
It took you 10 minutes 150-170 Glad to do with Warlord EoR. By the standards of some people here, that actually means the build sucks. lol
But seriously, Warborn supports EoR Warlord. Is it really a mystery that it does well? I feel some people here are just kneejerking the second a Warlord build outside of retal and Octavius does well, instantly meaning it needs to be nerfed. Calm down for a bit, take a deep breath, and let’s not rush to things. Let’s focus on phys retal and Octavius before we start making bad decisions.
Norzan. I wasn’t using buffs or banners. It was the second time I was piloting the toon. And unlike many players, I actually wait before starting the next wave, because I want things like ascension and potions to come off cooldown.
Do you want me to do a buffed/bannered run? I’m sure I can do it in about 6 minutes. And this is after the increase in crucible difficulty
Builds which were doing cruci in 6 minutes before are now taking 8 minutes to do it.
EDIT: I also want to mention that I went for a very defensive devotion set-up as well. If I’m doing a buffed/bannered run, I’ll easily be able to boost my DPS by 10-15% just from devotions alone.
There’s no much to learn with EoR, press EoR and do it. It’s not a piano build, or a build with multiple defensive cooldown procs or skills that you have to manage. It’s an extremely basic skill.
10 min without buffs or banner is pretty damn sweet
Dude. Basic specs can still be piloted masterfully.
For example, if I know the exact hitbox size of EoR, and I’ll be able to dance circles around enemies. This will allow me to bait out and dodge attacks while maintaining DPS on the target.
EDIT: I’ll put money where my mouth is. Brb in 15 minutes.
So in your mind there is nothing wrong with it doing dps and having a potential cleartime comparable to builds with far less defenses? Builds that can’t even complete wave 170 unbuffed.
If your build needs 10 minutes or even just do it with banners 170, there’s something deeply flawed with that build. There’s a lot of builds that do unbannered Glad 170 in around 7 to 8 minutes, where’s the outcry to nerf those?
Reducing the physical RR on Celestial Presense would also reduce the vitality resistance reduction through the transmuter.
10 mins without buffs and banners is good time!But that shows,you can build different combos of physical WL and all be with great times on top of huge survivability.
I was taking about its potential time. If it can do 10 min unbuffed it should be able to reach times comparable to top performers when buffed.