Is this how your world works? :rolleyes:
Sometimes.
We wish
Good film!
The creature in the ritual is a Jötunn pretty much random bastard spawn monsters that are funneled into this broad category. Source: The wikipedia article for the movie.
I would have loved for Abracadabra to be a one-off creature like that, but it doesn’t fit the theme of the other Nemises being big versions of existing creatures.
That’s an odd name for this monster, Jötunn are the Norse Frost Giants, basically.
Thanks, nice! I was only ever able to beat Mogdrogen once with my pet Conjurer on non-Veteran normal, so I am not yet trying my hand at facing the Ravager.
And yeah, I have no illusions Ravager is pretty depraved and evil. Those notes you find in the Gloomwald about that traveler, or what Scorv tells you of his own “conversion” make it pretty clear he is selfish, gluttonous hunger personified, not some aspect of the hunt or anything natural. Allying with him is a means to an end, same as with Korvaak, since both of them hate Chthon and the Aetherials.
We still know very little about the creation of Cairn and the other worlds. Was Chthon a benevolent creator god who got betrayed by his children (like Uranos by Kronus, or the frost giant god Ymir in norse myths) so his body and blood could be used in the creation of life? Or he was an evil god defeated by his children (like Kronus by Zeus, Poseidon and Hades) and imprisoned so he cannot destroy creation? I suspect the latter given how he hungers to devour everything and be whole again, probably returning the universe to a “pre-big-bang” state. Unicron in Transformers comics is like that too, he is not as much evil as the embodiment of entropy, the arch-chaos - he wants to devour creation and return the universe to the pristine emptiness that he feels is the “proper” state of it.
Total aside, but we know history is written by the winners. Is there any reason to believe mythology is different? Was Kronus evil, or was that just what Zeus told the Greeks? His own stories don’t exactly paint Zeus as the most reliable narrator ever.
AFAIK, even the Greek myths don’t say Kronus was evil, he was simply… a realist. He betrayed and castrated his own father after all, so he simply took “precautions” and swallowed all his children, so they cannot grow up and depose him the same way. Ironically, this was likely the reason Zeus did just that. Maybe if he raised him as a beloved son, none of this would have happened?
Off-topic, but if you like Greek myths, I really recommend Class of the Titans, as it has Kronus as the main villain, played by the awesome David Kaye.
From a conversation with Garradia from the coven:
Why do you think the altar was built here?
Perhaps because the veil between the living and the dead is thinner here. Why that is, I could not tell you.
Perhaps a violent ritual once took place here that birthed something into this world?
Whatever the cause, locations such as this are not too common, so there must be some correlation.
I think this could be the place where Uroboruuk did his ritual.
Part from the note “Missive to the Master of Flesh”
Which brings us to the other matter which has spurred this communication. The Circle has been made aware of stirrings within the Aether that may prove concerning. Great eyes now turn their attention towards this world. If They are made aware of what has transpired here, then all we have created, all we gained, may be in jeopardy. Our grand vision must not be interrupted by cosmic ruminations.
And a part from “Allostria’s Orders”
With Their eye falling upon us, we must be swift in our actions. No piece of the puzzle must be allowed to contort itself to its own whims. We will not be jeopardized when victory is so close at hand.
I wonder if this refers to the Aetherhold and the greater Aetherials, or perhaps some gods.
I like to think it’s about the Witch Gods, but i’m most likely wrong and definetly biased cuz for me they are the coolest thing in GD lore (which is quite a feat considering the overall coolness of said lore ).
Not too far-fetched actually. Rugia did mention or imply that Dreeg has a plan for us and guided her to deliver message about the Alostria to us (convo after finishing the “Other You” quest)
So it seems our character is getting more and more tangled with all these “gods”. Though it seems Mog does not consider the With Gods to be true god, branding them “False Gods” and such.
Fat lot of nerve, given Mog was originally an ascendant mortal just like the Witch Gods IIRC from his dialogue
Actually that’s what makes me think that alongside the plural pronoun with capital.
The description from the Mogdrogen the Wolf devotion
(“A titan created during the war of the gods, Mogdrogen has become the god of beasts and is said to roam the wild reaches of Cairn. Legends claim Mogdrogen is a shapeshifter, usually seen as a giant wolf but occasionally taking other forms, even that of a human. Mogdrogen roams the far reaches of Cairn, guarding the wilds against the encroachment of civilization.”)
vaguely implies that he was created by the other gods (at least i can hardly imagine lesser-than-god beings creating a god but i might be wrong on this since i didn’t really look into Mog’s roots) so i can understand his quasi strife against the Witch Gods, former mortals ascended to godhood by their own machinations;
and also the egoism/disrespect towards them since on-by-one they are definetly weaker/inferior to Mog as their true power lies in their covenant imho.
That has nothing to do with Uroboruuk, he became a “God” centuries if not millenia ago.
It concerns the other gods, and Chthon - that is what the Aetherials fear, quite rightly concerning how their former masters once stripped them of their physical forms before. I assume the likes of Ulzuin could easily deal with the Aetherials if they ever noticed what was going on.
No, he even scoffs at the idea when you ask him if he was mortal once. He is, in D&D terms, a Lesser God, he was not around during the creation of the universe, he was created by the Greater Gods for their war.
The first part of my message about the altar of rattosh, that is what i ment about uroboruuk. Not the part about aetherials.
I took his “Were you not a fool, once?” retort to be roundabout confirmation that he was an ascended mortal.
This. But it begs the question, what are you at the moment when you ask him?
I suppose it depends on your personal definition of what constitutes a fool, but I generally don’t view curiosity as foolish in and of itself. You’d think a god wouldn’t get so seemingly defensive over the question, though. In a more general sense, well, most everyone’s been a fool at one point or another, and apparently gods themselves are not above being foolish if we take a really hard look at the Aetherials and the ages-old conflict that made them what they are at the time of the player’s question.
EDIT: Oh, unless you’re referring to the player’s status as a fairly-obvious candidate for being ascendant. By the time you get to meet Moggy it should be plain as day that you’re pretty goshdarn special, and probably on a fast-track to rub elbows with Oleron, the Witch Gods and so on and so forth. You’re a one-man/woman force of sweeping change and getting-shit-done that even Creed and Ulgrim recognize as such.
Also about Mog i was always wondering if its a good idea to defeat the avatar or not. I mean on the long run, how it would affect the future content. I wanted and i can get him with my main toon but i never did cause of the consequences? :s
There are consequences? News to me.
Yeah.
And oleron is one dude I’d like to see some day in GD.
Used to be Ulzuin too but something is off about they guy. His fire/chaos nature makes me think too much about korvaak.
Although I think ascension is very different in the case of oleron vs witch gods. I imagine Oleron ascending within the will of already existing forces/gods while the witch gods forced it upon themselves through devious means