SPOILER ALERT: Lore Discussion

Here you go :wink:

I have already dealt with this Ravager.

Then perhaps some hope remains for this world.

If at the peak of his strength the Ravager cannot handle a human, even one as mighty as yourself, then his vision for Cairn will never be realized.

I believe you get this one if you haven’t defeated Mogdrogen and killed the Ravanger.

Then perhaps some hope remains for this world.

If at the peak of his strength the Ravager cannot handle a human, then his vision for Cairn will never be realized.

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Wow, nice finding. Also, I’m sorry. I had to do this.

LOL that is a good one. :slight_smile:
For me, whenever I go to a new difficulty and Scorv comes up with the “I feel we understand each other already. What do you say, shall we be friends?” speech… I wanna use this line from that terrible Dingo Pictures Lion King ripoff. :slight_smile:

“No, I think we should be enemies.” :smiley:

But then I think about all the sweet, sweet augments and stuff they sell and reconsider. Damn that guy he is such a good salesman. :slight_smile:

Well at least Mogdrogen’s not so butthurt about getting defeated like Ravager.

I doubt Ravager will ever get as strong as Mogdrogen, for one thing the Rhovari are more numerous, and Mogdrogen was a Titan who ascended to godhood unlike Ravager who’s just a primordial force of hunger.

From the latest dev stream (was also shown in the previous dev stream) some names from possible MI’s from Forgotten God’s.

Kymon’s Sanctified Blade

Messenger’s Repeater
Messenger’s Blaze Cannon

Korvaak’s Burning Blade
Korvaak’s Storm Blade

Legendaries that could be loot from a boss

Decree of the Circle of Five (Maybe added for Aom?)

Horns of Korvaak

Korvaak’s Brand

[SPOILER]I don’t see how those MIs are going to happen tbh, Kymon isn’t really a malicious guy, but the Messenger and Korvaak definitely deserve a death.

Maybe one or more of the Korvaak MIs, except the Horns, drops from some other mob instead.

The decree is definitely pointing to an Aetherial mob, maybe Orin Vostra himself?[/spoiler]

Does anybody have Theodin Marcell’s voice audio during his encounter? I unfortunately was never able to make much sense of it.

Oh and also 40k words were written for new lore notes for FG, was that a hidden WH40k reference? :smiley:

I don’t have the audio, but a guy in a Facebook’s group shared to me a transcription of some enemies’ dialogues, including Theodin: https://pastebin.com/rngSiX0Z

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Thanks bud, seems like same old generic bad guy dialogues.

It’s interesting how Krieg came back so quickly, and was even allowed to come back so quickly considering he failed. I guess his research in Burrwitch was instrumental in the development of the Birthing Factories in the Fleshworks.

I always assumed that Anasteria’s quote when you give her Thelon’s head meant that it would take years for an Aetherial to come back, but then again we don’t quite know what the time gap was between Burrwitch and Malmouth.

Well, with the new Misadventure we now have a lot more lore to speculate on.

  1. Korvaak may be Ulzuin. Zantai hinted at something like this, I’m not entirely sure that it’s a joke.

In the present lore we know that Ulzuin was a god of ceremonies, was betrayed by a lover and became a god of vengeance. The Korvan empire was destroyed by an aforementioned god of vengeance, but the name similarities are too close.

So therefore, it’s entirely possible that Ulzuin, when betrayed, went insane and started calling himself Korvaak, started using the power of the Eldritch realms, but was at one point defeated and forced to flee.

Although it’s a bit weird that the place would be called the Korvan plateau AFTER Ulzuin transformed into Korvaak, so there’s some confusion there as well. Maybe I’m wrong about the chronology of events.

  1. There seems to be some inconsistency with respect to whether Korvaak is primordial or eldritch. The Messenger seems to indicate that he was Primordial, but now we know from both the constellation description and the new Misadventure that he’s actually Eldritch.

We know that Ulzuin was primordial, so it’s possible that the Messenger is alluding to the origin of Korvaak as Ulzuin, when Ulzuin walked the earth as a god of ceremonies, and then transformed into Korvaak as an Eldritch entity.

  1. Korvaak is alluded to being a usurper of the Eldritch realm. It’s not known yet whether the Witch Gods ascended to the Eldritch realm before Korvaak took the power of the Eldritch realm, or that he’s only taking it back now from the Witch Gods as he has returned. So, in effect, he’s not really a usurper, but he also is, as it’s a matter of perspective.

  2. Why is Byscilla called the Matron of Rifts instead of the Matron of Bysmiel, like the other 2 faction leaders. Is it because she has something to do specifically with the Shattered Realm?

  3. It is implied by Draellus, that Korvaak was imprisoned, and that he’s close to breaking his bonds. This is also interesting, as I assumed he either fled after his defeat or simply laid low, waiting for the right time to emerge. Who was Korvaak defeated by? It’s possible that Empyrion defeated Korvaak, as Korvaak takes his name in order to beguile Kymon into worshipping him.

  4. It is also implied by Draellus that Korvaak is a much greater threat than the Aetherials or the Chthonian cultists, but this does not automatically imply he’s stronger than Chthon, but perhaps Draellus simply means that he’s a greater threat because this is just one of the planets that we know of where Korvaak is a bigger threat than the Aetherials/Chthonians, and that the Three could forever lose their strength if Korvaak was allowed to specifically triumph here.

  1. From what Zantai said:

Have I ever told you the tragedy of Plagius the Wise, Ulzuin?

If you google that sentence without Ulzuin: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/the-tragedy-of-darth-plagueis-the-wise

  1. Korvaak is primordial but maybe he had created the Eldritch realm. His constellation has a high primordial affinity.

3)I think it’s pretty certain that Korvaak had the Eldritch realm before the Witch gods. I think he fell during the war of the gods.

4)She was probably gifted by Bysmiel to be able to control rifts.

  1. The bonds are the bonds between the Witch gods. They need to work together because if the covenant of the three Witch gods is broken, than everything the have and did could be undone.

It probably happened during the war of the gods where several gods were cut down or scattered to the far reaches of creation. That happened due one side choosing to harness the power of the void for a desperate bid for victory.

6)Well since Korvaak is a primordial god it makes sense that he is a way bigger thread than the Aetherials and the Chthonians. If Cht’hon is ever to be able to return than he will be the biggest threat there is. See that happened during the war of the gods with other gods.

I’m aware of the meme, it just seems a bit strange that Korvaak was Ulzuin’s disciple, than Ulzuin himself.

That’s a pretty good possibility, and it makes sense that Korvaak controlled the Eldritch Realm long before the Witch Gods.

No, the quote specifically says “If the bonds are broken and his power restored, he could unmake everything”, so I think he was actually imprisoned, but by whom we do not know, and he was probably “forgotten” because it happened such a long time ago i.e. like you said, during the War of the Gods, although it makes little sense as to how Uroboruuk had a memory of Korvaak, but it does make sense that Mogdrogen is somewhat aware of the identity of the deity who Kymon’s chosen worship since he was there during the war.

I don’t think Korvaak was the one who chose to harness the power of the void, but I guess you were not implying that in the first place.

First things first… I haven’t finished the three additional modes nor have I taken on AoM yet. I wasn’t aware of the difficulty gating of missions/lore until recently and only just got back into Grim Dawn, running a hardcore veteran Warder through the game while exploring everything and everywhere to make sure I haven’t missed anything. All that said I wouldn’t be posting here if I was concerned with spoilers.

So… I’ve kind of stumbled into the bug to write a story set within the Grim Dawn and find myself struggling with the campaign characters because I don’t know their histories which, for me at least, inform their motivations and drives.

For example I can’t seem to find out if Captain John Bourbon is a sailor or a military style captain… though similar to each other they can result in drastic divergences in driving forces though achieving a similar end. These differences are important, however, as they would influence the characters written voice/tone.

At this point I’m just trying to get a better understanding of the various characters we encounter within the game so that I can when writing for them better represent them with my attempt at their proper voice/tone and behavior. This would especially important when writing about characters beyond the scope of the games campaign/story.

For example of outside campaign story… (Thank you Medea.)

[spoiler]Hangman Jarvis watched the Taken walk off taking no small joy in the sight of her rubbing at her neck where his noose had once nearly ended her. He should have been permitted to do just that.

He followed a fair distance away watching as Captain Bourbon talked with the monster. When she started towards the bridge he couldn’t help, but feel some trepidation at the idea of her getting away. Then the undead attacked and he watched with delight as they clawed and cut at her. A former soldier nearly ran her through with an old rusty sword only to find their arm missing a moment later and the old gladius now in her hand as she removed it’s head.

Jarvis watched as she felled more undead in quick succession then any single being had a right to. It was madness. A monster such as that permitted to live and presumably to return possibly stronger then ever? Jarvis respected the Captain he’d never done the group wrong and yet Jarvis began to doubt the Captain’s sanity.[/spoiler]

On a related note… the opening sequence claims the Devil’s Crossing survivors ‘paid a heavy price’ to capture the Taken. Do we have any idea what exactly that price is? That would affect the opinions of the survivors regarding the Taken far more than is suggested in game with the quick acceptance of the Taken.

Also just how long after the Grim Dawn, the Aetherial Invasion, is the start of the campaign set? I ask because Devil’s Crossing looks like an old ruin not something that was ‘recently’ destroyed by a still possessed Taken.

Finally… any idea how long the Taken lay upon the ground before waking?

Captain Bourbon is likely a military man, he was in the prison guard after all (Cronely refers to him a lot in his notes).

I would indeed like a story set in Grim Dawn’s universe, frankly I think it would be something a lot of us would buy. After all, even XCOM2 had two novels released about a sort-of prequel story.

I wish there was some extra lore material about nemesis bosses. I recall the Grim Misadventure that introduced Fabius and Moosilauke with a little lore about them. I found Fabius’s to be quite appealing. A former Nightblade that murdered his masters because he grew tired of the political intrigues and ended joining the gang of the most brutal man in Cairn as his secret weapon? Badass. It’s a shame you can’t find it in-game .The other nemeses need cool biographies as well.

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Slight001 I assume you want to hide text then people can click on a tag to open it. Do the following:

put “spoiler2” between brackets [ ] at the beginning of the text. At the end of the text put “/spoiler2” between brackets so you get this.

the text you want

I just reread the note I believe you are referring to. While he does express hatred and sadist desires towards Bourbon I can’t tell if that is just because Bourbon is the one who was leading the force that kicked Cronley and his gang(s) out of Devil’s Crossing or if it is born of a past relationship. Cronley turned himself into an unreliable narrator when he jammed those crystals into his own flesh.

Still something to consider. Might help explain why “Hangman” Jarvis appears to be as loyal as he is to Bourbon.

Also, Thanks Medea, post edited.

There is also some information from Direni if you talk to him and confront him with the Cultist orders.

[spoiler]Now I know this doesn’t look good for me but hold that weapon of yours in check a second, eh

Yes, I sabotaged the water pump but I had my reasons. You see, I was a prisoner here back when this place still served as an actual prison. When the world went down the slith hole, I stayed here with a few others; it was the safest place I could think of. Clearly Bourbon thought the same when he showed up with the rest of the survivors. Things escalated quickly. I’m sure it was us who fired first, but it was them that fired the last. Those prisoners that survived were driven out and ‘set free’. Now call me a coward for all I care, but I hid when the fighting got ugly. Came out later looking like another refugee and no one was the wiser. Never could forgive Bourbon for what he did to us though.
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Or when Direni left Devil’s Crossing

[spoiler]I was a prisoner in Devil’s Crossing back when it still served as an actual prison. When the world went down the slith hole, I stayed there with Darius and his group; it was the safest place I could think of. Clearly Bourbon thought the same when he showed up with the rest of the survivors. Things escalated quickly, but in the end Bourbon had more firepower. Those prisoners that survived were driven out and ‘set free’.

I hid when the fighting got ugly and bided my time. Came out later looking like just another refugee. Course, I kept myself busy. The water pump was my work, you know. After you restored the bridge, I returned to the boss. Things sure have changed since then!
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Was playing a bit today. When i was near Steelcap District i believe I noticed the sigil on there ground there was looking familiar.

So this must be a place where Byscilla was.

Umm, that picture you linked is from the upcoming expansion, not from the Steelcap District Also I cannot make out any sigil there…

I was on my mobile but here’s the one from actually from Crown Hill.

Compare that with the previous one i posted, and look at the guy with the question mark in the green sigil.Same goes for the blue sigil from Byscilla.