Super Build, 3min 30s Slaughtered Avatar of Mogdrogen Ver.1006

youtube video:
https://youtu.be/zLkBnXHuuTI

BD type: electric pet-damage bd
difficulty: ultimate
build link:http://www.grimdawn.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47232

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That’s a Conjurer build. And something it’s going to nerf soon.

as a matter of fact ,something should be nerfed long time ago . PET conjurer has been super destructive way back in time.

Why is this so?

I read somewhere in this forum that the devs use Ultimate Avatar of Mogdrogen as a test for balancing. If something kills him, specially this easily, the devs tend to balance the build that did it.

This all is speculation and it can be probably not true. But i wouldn’t be suprised if some stuff from this build gets nerfed in a future update.

huge buffs to summoning type in past two versions:

buffs to beastcaller’s set in 1.005, and
buffs to two pets’ taunt mechanism in 1.006

Given the buff-nerf history, i.e. deathmark set etc, could be a definitive winning lotto that it receives cuts in next version.

Sick! I thought the pets would just be dying left and right and you’d have to just summon them again and again and again. I didn’t expect them to be tanking that well or doing that much damage so quickly.

Can I see the pet bonuses section of your character sheet? (EDIT: never mind sorry, doh, I didn’t notice the build link at the bottom).

lol Mad Queen sucked vs this conjurer.
This is so OP!!!

to all who thinks conjurers are OP. I play one in a classic style - 4 permanent
pets - in hardcore mode with pretty good endgame gear and it Ă­s defintely not
overpowered. I can be killed any time, if a receive a good critical hit.
Have you really played one, or are you just jealous? And if you have played
one, did you play it in hardcore mode?

This build here makes use of a “gap” in the game-mechanic. Especially
with a lot of offensive ability and he makes use of the devotions quite good.
And I dont want to play his style in hardcore. Take a look at the highest damage he has received…

Normal conjurer builds with standard legendary pet equipment have a good
clear speed, but are not invicible facetank killers, definetely not.

regards Arkon

I don’t know what to say if it isn’t OP. May be I can’t get other classes good enough in compare with this conjurer build and if some class isn’t that good.
They should be buff until someone can kill avatar of mogdrogen in 3-5 mins too right?
Do every class build should be buff until killing nemesis <10 secs and Mog in <5 mins easily or can facetank to anything without drinking any potion till end of 150th wave crucible?

I think nerf is to keep the game still fun, feel challenge and not easier than it should be.
The nerf mechanic I know is it’s not likely to nerf at class, but items to change the use or make it give benefit to some not popular build instead
So I don’t think it may nerf at conjurer if not neccessary, may be at core items or some other mechanic instead.

I understand if someone who play it think it’s not OP and have a hard time customize it, but I recommend you to play other class those don’t popular and don’t have crazy build yet. You’ll see the different.

At his dmg received record. I guess that is in his old version before getting this build. As you’ll see in his resistance and his 3rd char page with 32 physical resistance and other disable resistance. It’s quite high. And as he rated himself in the post

Hardcore mode doesn’t matter for judging a build. It’s just a choice for those who want a challenge and can accept permanent death. Everyone who play HC should well prepared and accept risk.

Nice timer, fastest solo kill i have seen i guess :x

i’ve heard the same speculation but whether it’s a fact is yet to be confirmed. however it’s our purpose to post it up if it requires future balance, even if it gets a nerf.

we hope it is more balanced rather than not.

hc is a totally different scenario for a lot of builds. they require different methods of building and farming.
the player who built this is currently on a HC experience. So far he is still alive and with his understanding of pet bd, there’s a really good chance he can survive to the end.

Well , that highest damage is formidable. but it was done probable during the process while he was still adjusting the build.

Mogdrogen is not really a baseline for tuning purposes as he requires some very special preparation, though obviously if something can wreck him very easily there may be adjustments required.

Thank you for outlining your build.

There will in fact be some adjustments made, primarily to Primal Instinct and the Glyph of Kelphat’Zoth. But in the end, the effort required to achieve such a refined build should still feel rewarding.

Bugs of Primal Instinct making damage more than common Builds!

thank you zantai. This is why we share, we all want this game better and better. we love it, great game!

Is there chance in the future to further modify arcanist? Majority of good caster BDs so far somehow are always relating to devastation. like it’s a must-choice rather than a selection. as someone who’s really fond of caster, i do hope to see it become more diversified. currently it’s very limited, to be fairly saying.

thank you

Nice build, and very nice Mog kill.

There are other builds/setups as powerful if not more so in this game, and I suspect a lot of players aren’t sharing them due to the history of these types of builds getting nerfed after posting mogdrogen kill videos. So I can’t confirm or deny whether I know of or play any such builds myself =P. Maybe if the community reaction wasn’t ZOMGWTF NERF!!! More people might be more forthcoming.

If these people are indeed killing the avatar so easily and are not posting their build setups, then they don’t have any right to complain about balancing decisions made by Crate in future patches, or even the lack of proper balance, because that would make them hypocrites, plus technically, they’re hiding something that is broken from them :stuck_out_tongue:

this build doesnt seems OP to me, its true that he has a decent monotarget dps, but i have seen his crucible video and ~8 mins timer for wave 140-150 isnt OP at all.

How many mins timer for 140-150 is normal?